Again, cite please. “Assault weapons”, as covered by the ban under discussion, are not capable of fully automatic fire, and so your argument appears a little absurd.
Certain handguns and shotguns are classified as ‘assault weapons’ according to the definition used in the ban under discussion. Your statement above is therefore nonsesnical.
The NRA has already done that, the problem is, of course, that anti-gun groups just keep adding more to the bans. Why do you not respect the NRA for their alleged failure to provide an agreement on what should and should not be allowed but offer nothing against the anti-gun groups for their unwillingness to do the same? Anyone who favors living in a free society should worry more about the goals of those who seek to impose restrictions on people than those who oppose needless restrictions, but as far as anyone can tell the Brady Bunch and others won’t stop at anything short of a defacto ban of private ownership of firearms.
What, you mean like the way the NRA came up with Project Exile and other programs designed to actually prosecute criminals for misusing guns instead of just harassing law-abiding gun owners? The NRA and other parts of the ‘gun community’ have been suggesting such measures for years despite the reluctance of the Brady Bunch and other gun-grabbing groups to actually do something that affects criminals instead of ordinary citizens.
As far as availability, I’ll make a deal - when you can come up with a way to make a signficant decrease in the availability of cocaine (which gets used up rather rapidly, unlike guns which last for decades) to criminals then we’ll look at applying that same technique to guns. Cocaine is available to anyone who wants it with at most a drive to a decent-sized city despite being far more restricted than any firearm (completely illegal aside from a very few, very limited exceptions).
Oh, the bad guys usually buy their guns in the market place. ::: I forgot that part:::: … especially the hard to get expensive ones… :smack:
Lovely. Once again, another gun debate degenerates into accusations of dishonesty. Such a wonderful way of
Next time you have a piddly-ass useless fucking nitpick, how 'bout you just correct the perceived error instead of launching straight into calling me a lying sonofabitch?
And frankly, I have no interest whatsoever in responding further to such a poster.
All commodities are bought in the marketplace, Gus. Sometimes, it’s even the black market. Seriously, check out an economics textbook sometime.
Ahh that’s right, criminals don’t ever steal stuff… :smack:
aside::::::::
Minty
Somewhere above you made noise about how we are misunderstanding you and your position and that you are not into gun banning and other vague references.
Now, instead of linking to some million page thread as this one is becoming also, where do you stand?
What gun can I (average citizen) own?
Number of guns can I own?
Is there another restriction or qualification that an average citizen must meet to own a gun if you were King? I will even agree to a background check with the average conditions as exist in all the states that allow CC.
So, now that we have removed probably 90% of the guns from our citizens, because I’m sure that little old ladies and farmers and country folks by the millions have had DUI’s and such so they are SOL but even with that, what gun does MINTY say is allowed?
Come on stand up and say that this gun or guns are okay. If none are, then that means…
You get to be KING, speak… Pretty Please…
A thief cannot make something magically appear merely by desiring to steal it. If the desired item does not exist or exists only in small numbers, then
Thanks for asking. In a nutshell: comprehensive registration, universal background checks, licensing comparable to existing federal machinegun regulations for assault weapons (however defined).
Further details here, offered despite your professed aversion to reading additional threads.
When asked where he stands on gun control, minty green replied:
Assault weapons “However defined”?
Even if the definition is “guns that look scary to the majority of voters because they remember seeing them in a violent TV show?”
I’ll flip your challenge to illustrate its problem…
Ban ALL guns.
It works in a number of other countries (Great Britain and Japan come to mind). There are a few nogoodniks in those countries that have guns but a simple glance at their firearm crime rates tells the story compared to the US. Those countries also have cocaine flowing about despite being illegal as well so I don’t think think you can’t equate the two.
Cocaine use as % of population (1998):
Japan – Not Available
United Kingdom – 1.0
United States – 3.2
SOURCE: .United Nations Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention
Homicides involving firearms (per 100,000 people in 1997)
Japan – 0.03
United Kingdom – 0.13
United States – 6.24
SOURCE:
United Nations Commission on Crime Prevention and Criminal Justice
They seem to have less of a drug problem but FAR less of a gun crime problem. Seems to me that gun control can be effective.
Yes, tracer. That’s exactly what I meant.
:rolleyes:
That ignores the fact that there are currently about as many guns in the United States as there are people.
Seems to me that they are a less violent people.
I would rather stop people in the US from wanting to kill each other, rather than restricting the tools they use.
No, if I was in a trench facing a thousand angry soldiers I would want a belt-fed machine gun and air support.
If my 5-feet-away opponent already has his handgun pointed at me ready to fire and I don’t, I’m already pretty much toast whether I have a handgun or a howitzer. If he doesn’t, an SKS is pretty handy. I like my chances.
Handguns are MUCH more difficult to shoot accurately without mucho training. I doubt Freddy the Felon spends much time at the range.
Since this subject has been beaten to death…I’ll just say,
At close range, from the hip or whatever…me and my sawed off 12ga. 3" mag. 00buck, will still win in a throwdown.
If we’re goin’ huntin’ game, that’s another story. 
and BTW…for those of you who think you can keep weapons out of the hands of those who want them.
You are fuing crazy!**
Anyone with a will can find a way…I have built a few guns in my day from scratch. It ain’t that hard to do.
BUT, I will say this. It does make it a little harder for the masses. There are probably fewer gun related injuries/accidents/crimes as a result of stricter gun laws. (this is said w/out cites, I could be wrong)
I have always been in favor of record checks done on site. Run the drivers license…if it checks out cool, otherwise it’s at least a week till you can get it.
and someone said something about…“ban all guns”, that’s bullshit, to compare the US to other countries is not a fair analogy. The US is a “new” nation compared to the regular examples cited and none of them have their foundations based on a gun culture.
In time maybe…not at present. If you could guarantee all guns everywhere would cease to exist. I might consider the idea. Then again, I will always be able to have a gun if I want one because I will simply make it myself. AS CAN MANY OTHER PEOPLE
Do you plan on banning guns worldwide? If not, then what’s the point?
ooops, sorry I kind of went on a little rant there, my apologies. Carry on
OK, repeat after me:
“An assault RIFLE is a full-auto weapon.”
“An assault WEAPON is a semi-auto that has naughty bits that scare people. It has the same rate-of-fire as a handgun.”
And, firing an intermediate cartridge, an AK or SKS is perfect for popping a burgler…much more controllable than a handgun.
Yeah, well what do you expect after half a quart of Cazadores and a case of Tequiza?
OK, repeat after me:
I don’t give a shit about the Guns and Ammo Magazine definition. Deal with the squishiness.
Any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles designed for individual use in combat.
Any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles designed for individual use in combat.
Any of the automatic rifles with large magazines designed for military use.
Assault rifle and assault weapon are colloquial terms for various types of intermediate-power long guns.
Isn’t it funny how the English language doesn’t always work out the way you’d like it to?
And you’d be incorrect. The first time I attempted to buy my Ruger pistol was at a gun show from a licensed dealer, which would’ve been necessary for any transfer of a handgun. After waiting over two hours for the NICS computers to be back online so the dealer could run my name, driver’s license number, and SSN through the system, I had to leave the gun show without the pistol and arrange to go to the shop another day when my information could be checked.
No NICS, no gun.
The only time NICS does not apply is when one private citizen sells a firearm (long gun only) to another private citizen. Whether that happens in a living room, gun show, or garage, sale from private citizen to private citizen is the only exception. There is no such thing as a gun show loophole.
See above. If it is a handgun, they are required to use a FFL holding dealer as an intermediary. Otherwise, NICS does not apply; however, it is a felony for a person to sell a firearm to a person (s)he knows is prohibited by law from owning one. Any responsible gun owner, and that includes myself, will not sell or buy from someone whose history they don’t know. I did buy my Remington 700 from a very close friend of my father’s, someone who I could be sure was not a criminal, and who could be sure I was not.
Far too useful for competition shooting for me to say we should ban those.
Not even the fact that the NRA overwhelmingly supports Project Exile.
Like Project Exile, which both the NRA and the anti-gunners supported? I never saw Sarah Brady’s ilk giving the NRA any credit for that one, and it’s one of those bills that’s tough on criminals without further eroding rights.
I don’t favor having to pay hundreds of dollars to transfer to my ownership the vast collection of antique and expensive rifles that are currently willed to me by my father, no. Of what use is a background check if I sell my sister a 16 guage shotgun?
You mean those compelling reasons minty keeps saying exists but refuses to actually state what they are or provide any kind of cite for why he believes they exist?