Assessing the effects of the stimulus package (ARRA 2009)

Spinoff from this thread.

The American Recovery and Investment Act of 2009. Estimated cost, $787 billion. Here’s the composition of the Act in graphic form.

So. Was it worth the money? Would we be better or worse off, now, if the Act had never passed? Would we be better or worse off if the stimulus had been bigger?

Ask the future generations which will pay for it.

And are now being fed by it?

You should put that on a bumper sticker or something.

Save our kids, cut education funding!

In other words, if your initial numbers are an embarrassment, make up new numbers and re-write history retroactively.

As ought to be plain to all, there are no controlled experiments in setting national economic policy. The government passed the stimulus package and unemployment soared above ten percent. No one can know for sure what unemployment would have been if we hadn’t passed the stimulus package. All of the numbers that are presented in that regard come from economic projections and models that are notoriously unreliable. As I already mentioned in the thread that fathered this one, Thomas Sargent, the Nobel Prize winner in economics in 2011, is among those who dismiss the models used to validate the stimulus package as being basically worthless.

The stimulus package may have created jobs or it may not have. One can hardly expect a pile of numbers based on models from the government itself and from "independent’ organizations with strong links to the government to convince skeptics that the government did the right thing.

Given the fact that we’ve been jacking up education spending continuously for the past fifty years and seeing no improved results, I’d say that sounds like a plan.

It is, of course, true that the stimulus package handed a good-sized chunk of money to our educational institutions at all levels. How has education changed in the three years since then. Half of public schools are failing according to the government’s own standards. If there’s any indication that American colleges and universities are delivering a better education now than in 2009, I haven’t seen it.

My proposal would be to raise taxes, but hey, don’t let my actual positions get in the way of your conclusion-jumping perception.

Arguments from authority aren’t useful in this debate. There is a major split in economics between Keynesians and Anti-Keynesians. The former have built upon the work of John Maynard Keynes and accept his core analysis and their opponents do not. Both groups hold prestigious positions and have received prestigious awards. There is no lack of authorities saying the opposite things.

For myself, I can’t follow the math so I try to pay attention to the words. Predictions are usually understandable. Keynesians predicted that given the interest rate situation the Fed could expand the money supply without significant inflation. Their opponents differed. The Fed has done it (lets not get into exactly what “qualitative easing” entails) and look around. No major inflation.

Then there is the “confidence fairy”. Anti-Keynesians promote austerity because it will give investors confidence in the basic strength of a nation’s economy (since the country won’t be in danger of not being able to pay its bills). But is confidence really the issue? Why would people invest right now when the economy is not growing very much and the odds against new ventures are higher? The smart thing to do is to park your money and wait for safer investments.

Recessions are great times to take burdensome liquidity and snatch up failing ventures with valuable capital. It always pays to be rich.

If you make projections based on data (the severity of the recession in this case) that turns out to be way off base, it makes perfect sense that your conclusions would also be in error. Can the administration’s underestimated unemployment projections be blamed on this? From the information in the link, I have no idea. But I also don’t see any “new numbers” being made up here.

And will be driving on the roads and bridges built with it.

Capital isn’t as valuable at the moment. Check out the interest rates. Money is cheap right now.

Yes but peoples savings are down and loans are harder to get with banks tightening credit. Fluid capital allows for the taking of bargins (particularly in real estate) that are there because nobody else can take advantage of them.

Are banks tightening credit? I mean hopefully they aren’t lending to people who aren’t going to be able to afford the payments any more but I still get all those credit card applications in the mail.

And my understanding is that private debt is being payed down. (Krugman’s take)

This is totally off base as to what Keynesians and non-Keynesians think. Krugman is the most prominent Keynesian and he has been pushing monetary policy lately so some people seem to think that expansionary policy is Keynesian. It is not. Expansionary fiscal policy is Keynesian and at the time of the stimulus monetary policy was being discounted because of a supposed Zero lower bound. Market monetarists have been arguing for expansive monetary policy since the start of the recession and Krugman and his disciples only jumped on when it was clear that fiscal stimulus did not work and we are not going to get more of it. Keynesians have never explained Japan which has had fiscal stimulus for 20 years, with non-expansionary monetary policy and has a no growth and the largest debt to GDP ratio in the world to show for it.
As to the example of why would people invest when the economy is not growing very much, the same can be said of stimulus. Even if the economy was growing faster why would you invest when anything you make off the investment will have to given to the government because taxes will have to rise to pay for the stimulus?