I’d just add that it doesn’t take that much effort to find people who are competent and experienced at running Presidential primary campaigns, nor is it extremely difficult to heed their advice, at least in broad strokes, if not in every last particular. GWB managed it, after all.
Just think: if she had the (quite limited) self-discipline of George W. Bush, she’d probably be the frontrunner for the GOP nomination right now. Instead, she’s rapidly becoming yesterday’s news. This is because, as you say, she’s really fucking lazy.
NOw, where do you read “race” into anything I said above.
Oh, that’s right. Mention “welfare” or “illegitimacy”, those are obviously “racial code words”.
I have no problem taking care of the disabled, but if you are able bodied, and you are collecting government assistance for years because 1) you don’t want to work and 2) think the world owes you a living, that’s part of the problem.
I’d have no problem replacing welfare with workfare. You still get a check, but you show up and you do work. This is what that raging right winger FDR did during the Great Depression with the CCC and WPA. He didn’t say, “Here’s a bag of money, go have some kids!”
“Racism” is the last refuge of a liberal scoundrel.
I have no concern about their interest at all, guy. Frankly, if you aren’t related to me or a friend of mine, I simply do not care if you live or die. And if you’re not an American, I care even less than that.
I talk SIMPLY as a matter of policy. As a matter of policy, you have families that have no concept of what a “paycheck” is, because no one has earned one in a couple of generations. They let their kids go hungry and buy the latest hi-tops or cell phones or bling.
When I was in the Guard, we had this one sergeant (eventually discharged for a cocaine habit) who made money buying up food stamps for half their value to people who wanted the cold hard cash to buy other things. Now before you go whining about how this is another of my “anecdotes”, the fact is, this sort of thing was probably pretty wide spread, which is why they replaced food stamps with something that looks like a credit card. Some moron in the Clinton Adminstration even wanted to call them “Dignity Cards”, which has to be about the most Orwellian thing I’ve heard.
Now, should we give welfare. Yup, I think we should- conditionally.
You should be required to perform a valuable service to society, reporting to a work station just like everyone else has to. You should stay clean and off drugs. And you should understand this is “CHARITY” not an “ENTITLEMENT”.
Do you really think that if you don’t quote the words of yours I quoted (“all those ghetto kids …things that happened to their ancestors”) and instead quote other words you didn’t say (“welfare” and “illegitmacy”), no one’s going to notice what a racist thug you are? Who, if not black people, have any sort of grievance about how their ancestors were treated? Which groups currently live in the ghetto could you possibly be characterizing? You’re trying to deflect the charge of racism here when it’s imprinted on your skin and your brain. It won’t come off by your pathetic attempts to distract people, guy. Face it, you’re a thug.
Oh, I proudly admit to being a thug. Just not a racist.
But are you saying there aren’t any poor white people in ghettos? Or that bad things didn’t happen to their ancestors? Really? Is this what you are saying?
Nobody has a greivence based on what happened to their ancestors. I don’t have a greivence because of what happened to my Cherokee ancestors on the Trial of Tears or to my German ancestors for the prejudice they suffered between the world wars. Those were their problems, not mine.
Fact is, Democrats are creating a permanent dependent class. Part of it is racial. (For instance, the African American illegitimacy rate was 20% in the 1950’s, but 70% today!)
You guys need people to be dependent on government. If everyone provided for themselves, except for those truly meriting charity, there would be no need for a government that spends 4 trillion a year.
No, it’s that you want to see 'racism" as an excuse for everything.
Are there people who are racist out there? Yup. Probably.
Is that a valid excuse to give up and let the government take care of you for life? Nope.
Let’s take “Unkown”, champion stud of America. Lots of white folks who had “unknown” as a father, too.
Why?
Because if you list a father, the government insists that you go after him for child support. But if you list “unknown”, and don’t get married, the government gives you a check.
Now besides the fact that it’s seriously effed up when a woman doesn’t know which man actually fathered her child, we have to assume that probably doesn’t happen that often. But the government encouraged that kind of thing, which is why the illegitimacy rate skyrocketed after the “Great Society”, despite the advent of birth control and legal abortion.
It goes back to my point.
Stop calling them “Entitlements” and call them what they are, Charity.
You know, normally, I would demand to see a cite for figures like these, but with your impeccable reputation for giving indisputably factual statistics, I’ll let this slide this time.
I don’t so cites. Didn’t do them for the wingnuts on Town Hall and won’t do them for the Moonbats on Straight Dope.
You know why I don’t do them? Not because I can’t find them. I always can. That’s really my job in the real world. Finding things. I can always find what I’m looking for.
I don’t do it because WHEN I DO, you guys* do one of two things.
Pretend you didn’t see them.
Claim it wasn’t from a valid source.
*- and again, I don’t limit it to the left. The right does the same thing.
I did ask a direct question up there in post #151RR. That bolded part. Maybe you didn’t see it. Care to answer and respond?
If you want source for my numbers I do do cites btw, and handle objections about their validity quite easily. It’s not too hard to do. Really. So long as one just doesn’t make shit up. When one refuses to as a matter of course then others do not know when the factoid happens to be correct (which that 70% number is) and when the factoid is completely fictional (as much of what you have posted is). Interesting trends in unmarried birth rates:
Yes, Black unmarried birth rate has been steadly declining while White unmarried birth rate has doubled since the 70’s. Mind you the rate among Blacks is still high, about 70%, but that is substantially down over the last 20 years, when it was about 83%. In fact the birthrate among Black women has been decreasing steadily, both married and unmarried, for many decades. The reason for the steady birth rate decrease in Blacks? Partly because the Black teen pregnancy rate has decreased by so much despite the nefarious Democratic plan to use a Welfare state to get them to breed more in order to produce more Democratic voters. More seriously for the very reason I put forth in the post you pretended was not there - less economic insecurity, and higher educational attainment especially for Black women formerly of poverty. The percent of Black women who go on to college after High School has doubled, to near 70%, since the late 60’s. I tell ya’s, we are doing a piss poor job in our plan to create a permanent underclass.
Again I do though, and the reality is that few living in poverty don’t work at all and those have not had a paycheck for generations are common only as fictional characters on Right Wing talk radio shows. The poor have been working. When they can.
Of course many of the poor right now, many of those getting assistance at this point in time, had been employed consistently for years. They, previously of the middle class, are the new poor.
Dseid, I ignored your bit of sophistry because the birth rate has declined among ALL women, not just minorities. We could also talk about the predetory nature of Planned Parenthood in poor communities, but I usually try to avoid the sinkhole of abortion discussions.
But you are going to claim that the illegitimacy rate has declined from 83% to 70% in the AA community, like that’s “progress” or something.
So instead, I will just leave you with this pearl of wisdom…
“Today, we are taking an historic chance to make welfare what it was meant to be, a second chance, not a way of life,”
You ignored the fact that we were talking about the unmarried birthrate, your claim of how welfare has caused it to increase dramatically and the cited and documented fact that the unmarried birth rate among White women has increased during the same that the Black unmarried birth rate has decreased.
You also still have not attempted to answer my very basic question.
Thanks for playing, but sorry you don’t even get a consolation prize on your way out.
SOmething going from 83% to 70% (and again, I didn’t check your numbers, I’m taking it on faith) is not really an improvement. it is still TOTALLY unacceptable, and the government deserves a large part of the blame for this.
And I take no joy in the fact white women are catching up in this awful statistic.
Hey, do you know what is not being talked about all that much in the Casey Anthony case? That she was a “single mother”.
You are the one with the race obsession, guy. NOt me.
You are the ones who think that government programs can replace fathers. Who want to take the words “Mother” and “Father” off birth certificates because they are judgmental.
No, you’re the one who started in with this crap about “kids in the ghetto” and people complaining about injustices visited on their ancestors, and now you’re running away from it as if it were a nun with a ruler in her hand. You tipped your hand as a closet racist, and now you’re trying to cover up, but it won’t fly. You have to live with your racist tone, your racist beliefs, your racist words, and your racist self. I’m going to remind you when you try to run away like a scared child, because that’s what you are.
I used to have to drive through the west side of Chicago every day to get to work, or as I call it, “The city that the Great Society Built”.
A few more years, the rest of the country is going to look like that.
I get bored with your race obsession on the left because it becomes the dog that eats everyone’s homework.
Why O.J. kill his wife? Racism
Why did they start a riot in LA? Racism.
Why is Obama a horrid president? Racism.
looking on the brighter side, When he GETS voted out on a rail next year, you can spend years blaming racism for that. Just trying to find the brighter side for you, guy.