Homeopathy?
Maybe astrology works on a “homeopathic magnetic” level?
Just sayin’.
Nevermind…
Even if you did believe that the positions of the planets when you were born could affect you, why would every day have a different forecast, as suggested in the astrology columns in the newspaper?
First, I’m not even sure you really grasp what “science” actually is (here’s a hint: more than anything else, it’s a method, not a body of knowledge or a school of belief). But that aside, the actual practice of science is way, way more right-brained than you apparently believe it to be. Intuition is central. The only difference is that scientific intuition is informed and disciplined.
Oh, and astrology is bullshit. Just for the record.
Just to be clear, we don’t have to know anything about how astrology might work to test whether works. Testing whether it works is easy: A researcher has a bunch of volunteers take personality tests, and collects birth information from all of them. The researcher then gives all of the information (with names removed) to a bunch of astrologers, and sees if they can match them up. If the astrologers do better than chance, then astrology works, and if they don’t do better than chance, it doesn’t work. Experiments like this have been done, many times.
Now, if the tests showed that astrologers were able to tell something, then would be the time to start worrying about tidal forces and magnetic fields and whatever else might cause it to work. But as it is, the tests have all shown that astrologers don’t do any better than random guesses, so worrying about how it would work is just a waste of time. I might as well ask you why brontosauruses don’t fall through your ceiling when they dance on the roof of your house: Maybe your roof is really heavily reinforced, but maybe there just aren’t any dancing dinos on it.
I’m not sure how “statistically meaningful” it works out to, but ca. 1962, John W. Campbell ran a year-long test of Astrology in 30-day weather forecasting in Analog. The two controls were random (I don’t know how he ran it) and the US Weather Bureau. Astrology won. (The USWB came last.)
So what you and many others are saying is that just because it is easier to disprove than prove we should all conform to believing there is no actual substance to the practice of astrology at any time throughout the history of mankind.
Same thing with anything “paranormal”.
My thoughts - Astrology is not an exact science. It is merely a piece of a puzzle that has been scattered about for a long long time. And it’s not that I dont want to fight ignorance on this matter of subject - it’s like with all subjects important to me, I want to find the answer for myself and noone has the right to tell me what I can believe in and what I cannot and therefore I dont believe it is anyone’s position to label me in such a manner. I dont tell people that there IQ has increased or decreased by believing/not believing in the subject or some of the aspects.
Oh - ok - I’m ignorant because I have faith in something that has been poisoned through the decades. :rolleyes: I, however, have found the practice to be helpful - especially in dealing with people. My secret to being a really good customer service rep and manager for several years - I’d find out the persons birthday whenever possible and adjust my communication based on their sun -sign and though it was not 100% effective - it was 80% or more effective than BEFORE I engaged in the practice.
So should we now go in to christianity, wicca, judeism, life after death, and other such things because gods forbid that if you believe in anything that cannot be proven to exist on a scientific manner 100% with no room for doubt than you are ignorant & you might as throw up your arms right now and ask the perfect intelligent mighty beings to pardon the part of you that is flawed.
Can we prove there is a God? Can we prove there is life after death? Can we prove that there are genuine psychics?
It is sooooo much easier to disprove things than to prove things. This is not always a good thing, and not always a bad thing.
What does predicting weather have to do with astrology?
No, you’re missing the point. It’s already been disproved. Your secret is that you’re adjusting your treatment of people based on information that’s WRONG!
but if it’s wrong why does it work???
Perhaps you think it works because it gives you more confidence. I don’t know. I remember a study on light levels in the workplace. They increased the light level and productivity went up. Then they decreased it and productivity went up. It turns out that paying attention to your employees and trying to make their environment better makes productivity go up. It wasn’t related to light level at all.
If you actually measured your assumptions and results, I’m 100% sure that the astrology told you nothing.
It doesn’t. Confirmation bias - Wikipedia
It’s not a science at all.
What folks are saying is that absent the first shred of supportive evidence , there is no *reason *to believe any particular claim.
Yep.
It isn’t a science at all. It seems to me that you don’t understand what science is.
That’s right. Belief is not proof one way or another, however. Belief has nothing to do with it.
Has someone said this of you?
Not ignorant, really. But appealing to faith has no place in a discussion about science.
No. No. No.
Sure we can, to the extent that the words keep their same meanings that English speaking folks use every day and “proof” means “show to such an overwhelmingly likely extent that it would be foolish to offer tentative agreement”.
Oh, I see you probably meant “Can we prove with current evidence”, then the answer is no, no, no But all three of them are demonstrable, given sufficient evidence.
What does predicting weather have to do with astrology?
I was only 13-14 at the time, and not a subscriber; I only bumped into it once or twice. Anybody out there have a collection of Kennedy-era Analogs? It was a temporary department of the magazine headed “The Crucial Experiment”.
I’d actually quite like to have a collection of those old Analog magazines. But my question was this: We’re talking about astrology and you mentioned a study about predicting weather. I’ve heard a lot of bizarre claims about astrology, but none of them had anything to do with predicting weather. Did I miss something?
Once again, we have a guest who makes exactly one post, doesn’t answer questions asked for clarification, and (so far) never appears again.
Perhaps we should practice our “fawning admiration”?
Perhaps we should practice our “fawning admiration”?
I’ve tried; I just can’t keep a straight face.