actually i know a sport / game women will always win hands down
roshambo ing for something ask a south park fan i’m sure somebody will elaborate
Micco: Sorry, I don’t buy it. I have a black belt in Goju-Ryu karate, and I taught self-defense classes for women several times. I have also trained with and sparred with female black belts. There is a huge difference.
And sure, the Gracies are great fighters, and technique can certainly overcome some weight disadvantage. But the Gracies aren’t tiny. And anyway, it’s not a fair comparison, because the reason they won is because they took a very specific skill and used it against people who didn’t know how to defend against it. I’m not arguing that a female ju-jitsu practitioner couldn’t possibly get a joint lock on someone somewhat bigger than her and subdue him. What I’m arguing is that given equivalent skills, weight and strength bring added advantages. The question was whether or not females could be ‘competitive’ in martial arts matches. There’s just no chance. Even if a woman had all of the Gracie’s skill against untrained opponents they couldn’t do it because the weight/strength differential is just too great. After all, you do need some leverage and strength to force someone into a joint lock, and you also need the strength to absorb the blows they invariably manage to rain down on you while you try. Put the best female karataka in the world in a cage with Tank Abbott, and the match will be over in about 5 seconds.
Remember, I actually saw a man fight a female martial artist. She was a multiple black belt, and he knocked her cold with one hit.
Sorry. I didn’t know about the world records in these events - just that women occasionally win individual races of those distances.
how about typing. I think the fastest typers in the world are women. or sewing, or knitting. There must be competitions in these areas somewhere.
sex.
[sub]oops, i forgot. i’m gay.[/sub]
I could never compete with you guys at scratching my balls, either.
As everyone knows from the Brady Bunch, girls are superior builders of card houses. And Marcia won in driving skills over Greg, by pulling to within an inch of the traffic cone with the egg on top.
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This was uncalled for, as was Grienspace’s sexist comment. We should do better than this.
Re: figure skating comment
Yes, a few men can managed a quadruple jump, but great skating involves a hell of a lot more than that.
Another thought: I’m willing to bet the top female athletes can outperform 90% of the world’s men–day in, day out.
What about that brazillian Martial art that involves no contact at all? I think its called Sambo, but I could be wrong. It is simply agility, and does have competition.
You’re probably talking about Capoeira. Sambo is of Russian origin. And it certainly involves contact (being a rather ineffective martial art if you don’t make contact…). It does involve very gymnastic entries, but there’s definitely contact once the entry is made.
I’ve trained Wing Chun and Jui-jutsu with both men and women, and weight was rarely a factor in either of those. In Wing Chun, I routinely dominated well-trained fighters who had 6-8 inches and 100 pounds on me (and I’m no lightweight). I was, in turn, dominated by smaller men and women. I’m not talking about senior students whipping newbies; we were all skilled sparring partners. I could use my weight and strength to my advantage (thereby doing the techniques poorly) against untrained fighters, but anyone with skill could easily neutralize those attempts.
Your point about the Gracies exploiting a weakness in their opponents’ training is well taken. Perhaps that wasn’t the best example for my argument. However, I think your judgement may be slightly skewed by your training in Karate, which does use size and weight and so gives an advantage to those who have it. Many styles don’t rely on those factors, so the fighter in that style is not at a disadvantage if they’re small or light.
Not to spin the argument another way, but you made the point that the fact that weight is a factor makes weight classes necessary in martial arts. I still don’t completely agree with the premise, but given that competitions use weight classes, do you think women fighters can be competitive with men within a weight class?
[[This was uncalled for, as was Grienspace’s sexist comment. We should do better than this.]]
I apologise. I admit that I was becoming offended by the tone of this thread. I guess I could start a new thread about which gender leads in committing mass murders, serial killings, acts of warfare… which sex fills federal prisons after committing unspeakable violent crimes.
But I’m just being kneejerk, so I won’t.
In light of the barbarity that has just happened at the World Trade Center and in Washington, I am appalled by your sense of timing.
I found the names I was looking for, with regard to the 1976 Olympics.
At the 1976 Olympics in Montreal, an American man named Lanny Bassham and an American woman named Margaret Murdock tied for the championship in small-bore rifle shooting. Both had 1162 points.
Both Bassham and Murdock wanted to have a playoff round, to determine the winner, but the rules didn’t allow that. There was already a tiebreaker rule in place, and bassham was given the gold medal, because he had more shots closer to the bulls-eye. Miss Murdock was given the silver medal.
As I said earlier, Mr. Bassham thought this was unfair, and had Miss Murdock stand on the top row of the dais with him, and they both held the gold medal as the national anthem played.
I think Margaret Murdock proved that a woman can shoot rifles as accurately as a man.