Average Total Taxes?

Or should I say “Taxes” in the USA.

I’ve spent many 100’s of hours studying this. I’ve asked a few friends their opinion. Now I’d like yours…

What is the total amount we pay to the government, on all levels, local, state, federal, as a percent of our declared income from our paycheck. I’m not counting the income we’ve hidden or gifts. In other words total taxes divided by IRS earned income. It is different for everybody, and every category of people. For example it matters how much alcohol we buy, cigarettes, and gasoline. Sales tax. Property tax. There’s much more than just Income Tax, which is less than 1/2 of the total. Let’s also try to guess the average US citizen’s percent. The total taxes collected divided by all of our incomes?

For now let’s leave off Social Security FICA contributions. This amount is almost exactly 15% for everybody if you assume you’d be paid the employers portion instead of having it for your retirement. Some may argue we get this money back, but without interest. I assert since it’s mandatory, it is more like a tax than an optional retirement investment. The funds are mixed together with our federal budget. Either way we will keep this 15% separate and add it back in the end.

The Washington Post says our average federal tax is 2%. All the other taxes are much less. It’s never been lower! Do you believe this number?

It’s simple math to calculate the answer. Maybe you don’t have your paycheck handy to look at. Give me a range that you are sure of. The absolute minimum that it could be in your wildest imagination. The maximum that wouldn’t shock you. You can tell me the guess of your personal range. Then the lowest and highest amount in % for different people including your friends and coworkers.

How about marginal tax rates? This mainly applies to income tax. If you are rich you are more likely to buy luxuries which might be taxed more. Let’s assume you have a passive income of $50k. Therefore most of your earned income would be taxed at the higher marginal rate. In this case the income tax (excluding passive income) is the same as the marginal tax rate. This is only one way to look at it. I’m sorry if I’ve gotten the words wrong in this paragraph. I realize it’s complicated. I’ve composed it off the top of my head. Another way to look at it is how much of a salary raise do you get to keep? What if you work an extra hour of overtime this week? This marginal tax is much higher than your total income tax. One thing at a time, we’ll come back to this one.

Inflation and printing money is another form of indirect taxation. Borrowing to raise the federal debt. We’re not going to cover that here.

Could your total tax be 40%? 50%? There are at least 10 significant categories to estimate and add together. Still it’s 4th grade math. The data is all available online. What amount would upset you? What do you think is fair? How much of this is used to pay the interest on public debt? In Germany taxes could be up to 50%? Is America higher or lower? I believe most Europeans are aware of their true number.

Is it a secret here? Is it simple to calculate the Total-tax-for-the-average-American? How many people can estimate the correct answer? I bet almost nobody. Let’s find out. I think the range of answers, or guesses, will be quite wide.

Prize for the first correct answer! I’ll give you this same portion, after taxes, of $1 if you get it right. Minus distribution fees of course.

I’m not sure if this is supposed to be a puzzle, or whatever, but:

In 2007, the total amount of federal income tax was $1.88T, while the total household income was $7.72T, or 24%. That’s significantly below what I paid, though maybe a bit higher than I would have guessed.

That doesn’t work because there is a ceiling on income of $106,800 that is subject to FICA. That is a fairly chunky income but there are lots and lots of people who make more than that so the overall percentage will be lower. Also, the employer portion is 6.2%, employee portion is 4.2%. Even if you add Medicare (1.45% each) it still totals only 13.3%. (BTW I don’t object to your treating this as a tax; it is a social program, not an investment program.)

No. You’re going to have to cite a Post article on this.

Reported for forum change. (Based on “I’ve asked a few friends their opinion. Now I’d like yours…”)

@DrStrangelove - Very Good! I’m impressed. I’m not being sarcastic that was quick and probably correct in 2007! You’re nearly half way done (by amount). That is federal income tax only. State? Local? Sales? Property? Nobody I have asked has gotten this far for the Average American.

In CA it was 7.65 + 7.65 (in 2007?)

13% - 15% Yes there is going to be some error if we attempt to find the average. Let’s talk about our friends and coworkers and leave the wealthiest 10% by income out of it for this calculation only. This is one reason I wanted to keep it separate from total tax. In my case it was 15.3%. We’re going to have to take some shortcuts to simplify.

Oh sorry 3% my mistake. Somebody around the 45th percentile pays 2%?
The graph has a steep slope for us middle fifth of taxpayers.
Would you say this article is misleading?
Washington Post link

This is also significant, but one step at a time: First we need the total tax.
IBD link

When you get taxed and pay the government 1, and they use that dollar to pay my salary, and then they take .25 out of it for my taxes, did the government collect $1.25 in taxes or just $1?

Keeping in mind that this thread will soon be moved to a different forum…

In my opinion, reporting the average taxation of an American is a almost entirely useless statistic. To lump together all the huge differences in income and consumption to arrive at one figure that is portrayed as the average amount of taxes is like saying the average American has 3.95037 limbs.

Please don’t change the forum this is in. I’d like to edit my first post. I meant to say I asked my friends for their numbers, not opinions about these numbers. I don’t know how to edit the post.

True, but it is interesting to know. That’s why I also asked for your percent. And your friends or coworkers. What number would be more meaningful than average? Median?

Certainly the Median for limbs is 4. Isn’t this a useful statistic if it weren’t so obvious already? How about a range which includes most people?

I am not a moderator, but the General Questions forum is for when you’re seeking answers to factual questions for which you don’t already know the answer. But your reply below seems to imply that you have an answer in mind and you’re trying to see if we can come up with the same one.

I know my own personal answer, range, or estimate. It’s difficult to be exact since I don’t keep track of every gallon of gas I buy. I’d like to know the average or median. There is way more than one way to calculate this. I’d like to know which way is best, or most useful to know. I’m more interested in the method, than the exact number.

I should have added this earlier: the Congressional Budget Office does a fairly regular report on the effective tax rates for Americans, broken down by various Federal taxes, income brackets, etc. The most recent report I can find states that the total Federal effective tax rate for individuals (which includes income, excise, and payroll taxes) is 20.7% as of 2006.

The lowest quintile pays an effective rate of just under 5%, the middle quintile pay about 14%, and the top 1 percent pay an effective rate of about 31%. Cite.

There is a thinktank that does a similar analysis for each state, but damned if I can’t remember which one. I’ll see if I can find it.

@Chessic - My IBD link above is related to your question.

How about all the other taxes I mentioned?
These are also significant and can be added together as a %.
http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/

Perhaps tax revenues as a percentage of GDP, as shown in this graph from Wikipedia.

Surely that does not include all the taxes in my previous link. Nor does it relate to my earned income, or the average/median earned income. I wanted simple. But that is too simple! Don’t you think?

Call me crazy, but I think the Congressional Budget Office is a more reliable source of Federal budgetary information than “usgovernmentrevenue.com”.

When you think about it…the tax collection of governments is a marvel.

You pay taxes on the income you earn.

You also pay taxes on your house and car based on its value. What’s amazing here is that you can have no equity but you still pay taxes on the entire thing.

You pay taxes if you have money saved and that earns interest. You have to pay this tax even if that interest is below inflation…so you essentially pay taxes on a loss.

Your money you have saved gets ‘taxed’ via inflation.

I am absolutely flabergasted there isn’t a ‘wealth’ tax…one that taxes any sort of value one has sitting around…though if it gains value they will tax it as ‘income’ even if that value has not kept up with inflation.

You are taxed when you buy something.

Please don’t read too much into this post. I am not bellyaching/bitching…

I am just in marvel at the efficiency of it. No matter what you do (except illegally hiding it) the government is efficient at extracting money from it. The taxing interest is especially interesting because they can get tax dollars from something that has lost value!

The only real hole I can see…and it isn’t much…would be to implement a tax on net worth.

@Ravenman - You are welcome to choose any reliable source for your numbers. I was simply listing the categories you need to include in my link. Those are not valid?

@Blinkingduck - It is amazing! Very difficult to add them all up. Nobody can estimate them accurately without adding them up. I believe the total % will surprise us.

Well, there is the estate tax.