Aviators and flying enthusiasts -- a question for you

The pilot gave me a call yesterday to reconfirm for today. He also said that bringing a camera along would not be a problem. Consequently, I have a pretty good quality digital camera that I’ll be taking up in the air with me. I hope to score some good photos, assuming I have the presence of mind to take pictures in the first place. :slight_smile:

I am a touch concerned about the weather. It is extremely overcast, misty and muggy out. Yesterday, it never cleared up at all in many areas around here. I have been told that we should start to see some clear skies around midday, so keep your fingers crossed for me. I didn’t discuss this specifically with the pilot, but I’m assuming that if it’s overcast, there might be visibility issues?

Also, one more question for you folks…any idea what a “cruising” altitude would be in this plane? I don’t know why that never occurred to me previously.

I’m meeting with him at 4:30pm Pacific Time – just over 8 hours from now. Trying to focus on work today should be interesting. :slight_smile:

I’m totally jazzed for Asimovian too. The weather is gloomy and overcast this morning, but it’s supposed to clear up by about noon, and be a nice clear afternoon. I’m going to take a whole load of pictures because apparently I’m allowed to hang out with him before the flight. I’ll be sure to get pictures of him with the parachute on because the idea of that cracks me up. I also have a small digital camera I’ll send up with him if the pilot gives his okay. I’m certain we’ll both report back tonight. :smiley:

Not many people cruise in a Pitt’s… But as with any general aviation plane, it could be anywhere but most likely above 2000’ and below 10,000’

As for what you are going to do, it depends on if you are going to do any acrobatics or not and if you are going to be in a designated practice area.

He will probably go no lower than 2000’ if doing anything aerobatic and might have an actual aerobatic box to use. A chunk of airspace that is for acrobatic flight, practice and known to the local controllers and maybe even protected by ATC while in use.

I would think that even if you were just cruising around looking at stuff, that you will go no higher than 6000’ Above Ground Level ( AGL )

Hopefully you will be much lower so you can see stuff on the ground well.

But don’t forget to enjoy it all…

WOW! AWESOME!

Ahem…pardon me – I seem to have briefly lost my composure. Let me begin again.

That was, without question, the coolest thing I’ve ever done! :smiley:

Alright, alright…I’ll try to give some details. Bear in mind that I probably won’t be able to do it justice, but I’ll make an effort, at least.

So we arrived at the airport (Brackett Airfield, if anyone’s familiar with Southern California) right at 4:30pm and met with Bill Rohde, the pilot. He was, as he had been over the phone, extremely friendly and informative, open to any questions I had. He showed me around the plane and explained that he’d just gotten it back from its annual inspection earlier in the week. He’d flown it several times, made adjustments, and declared it to be in great shape.

He then described the route we would be taking, which would start by paralleling the 210 Freeway along the foothills, up around Mt. Baldy, and then up over Lake Arrowhead and Big Bear Lake. Then he described how to put on the parachute and get into and out of the plane (what I could and couldn’t touch) and talked about instrument gauges. He asked if I had any questions (I didn’t), and then it was time to “suit up.”

Putting on the parachute wasn’t that big a deal, although I don’t think I’d ever had anything quite that snug around my crotch previously. What proved to be a challenge was getting into the plane. I’m a big guy, and I was having a hard time getting my legs up and into the cockpit area without using the windshield for bracing (a definite no-no). Eventually I got in, and after struggling with the seatbelts a bit, I was set. I was sweating profusely at this point, but that was more from the effort than being nervous.

After I got set, Bill pushed the plane out of the hanger and climbed in. Jakeline was, of course, dutifully snapping pictures the whole time. Bill fitted me with a Snoopy-style headphone set and got me plugged in, and then he climbed in himself. He ran through his pre-flight routine and then started the engine – I was amazed at how quickly I cooled down once that propeller got going!

So my first bit of fun was listening to Bill communicate with the tower as he got permission to taxi to the runway. He explained everything he was doing as he did it, which I found very comforting, even though I wasn’t all that nervous at the time. Everything seemed incredibly surreal to me as we taxied. We were cleared by the tower, he throttled up, and we were in the air quicker than I would have imagined possible. Oddly enough, the take-off felt to me much like a take-off in a commercial jet, except that I wasn’t pushed back into my seat in the same manner. But many of the sensations were the same.

We took off heading west, made a sharp turn to the north, and then another turn heading east along the foothills. After spending a little time climbing, Bill asked if I was ready to take over, and I said I was. I should point out that he did not want me to deal with the rudders since I had no flying experience. He just let me take control of the stick. My turn, muahahaha!

I found the control to be very intuitive and very comfortable. Keeping it on a straight course was very much like driving a car in my opinion – small, subtle movement. Once he saw that I was comfortable being in control, he encourage me to work the stick to the left and right so that I was comfortable with the plane turning (somewhat) under my control. From that point on, he basically told me where he wanted me to go, and I controlled it.

As we got into the mountains, the real reason that I was on this mission came into play. We did hit some turbulence (very small, from his comments, but similar to what sets me off in commercial jets), and although it made me a little twitchy, being in control of the plane made the sensation different. It was sort of like being on a rough road – I wasn’t terribly fond of the sensation, but there was no point where I felt like the plane was having any difficulty with what we were encountering. He asked me if I was still comfortable handling the stick when it got choppy, and I told him I was. We continued on.

Flying around Arrowhead and Big Bear was absolutely gorgeous. He would occasionally take over and do what I believe he called “slipping.” He basically tilted the plane to the side that we were, in essense, sliding at an angle so that I could get better pictures of the ground below. I could not believe that I was experiencing all of this without being the least bit frightened. It was just pure fun!

Once we got to the edge of Big Bear, he took over again, made a quick U-turn and got us headed back to the airport. Although I had the stick again, I wasn’t doing anything but flying straight and enjoying the experience. It was magnificent to be in the air at the helm with the view I had.

Eventually, he notified me that we were getting near the aerobatics practice area and asked if I was interested in doing anything “interesting.” I was feeling pretty comfortable, so I asked him what he had in mind. He suggested a simple aileron (hope I spelled that correctly) roll. Although I was a bit nervous and not entirely sure what to expect, I decided to go for it. Again, I was comforted by the fact that he didn’t just go for it – there were a series of checks that he ran through regarding airspeed, altitude and traffic around us that reassured me that he takes what he does very seriously, and therefore does it safely.

He explained to me that we would tilt the nose forward and reach an airspeed of 160mph, then bank up at approximately 30 degrees to the horizon, then push to the left and roll. He made sure, both here at during other parts of the flight, that while he was in control of the plane doing maneuvers, he wanted my hand on the stick so that I could feel what he was doing. Once I was ready, we went ahead and rolled.

I don’t know that I can really explain in words what it’s like to look UP at the ground for the first time from 6,000 feet. Not frightening…just…weird. Very, very cool – very fun and fairly exhilirating! Then he asked me if I was willing to try it myself as he talked me through it. I said I was, and performed the same maneuver with me handling the stick (mostly) on my own as we did another roll. I did feel him push a little bit on it as he was telling me to push more to the left, but it was mostly me, anyway! What a blast!

After that, I was done with my thrill-seeking, so we headed back west, and eventually he took over for the decent and landing. I was fairly impressed with the sharp turns we made and the rapid decent to get back down on the ground. What a wonderful ride! I realize how cheesy this must sound even as I type it, but I really don’t have the words. I just had the time of my life from beginning to end!

I’m sure I’ve left out important details somewhere, so please ask me questions and I’ll do my best to answer.

Also, pictures will be forthcoming shortly, so stay tuned! Thanks again to everyone who has participated in this thread. I’m certain I’ll never forget the experience, and, I have to sheepishly admit that I’d love to do it again. :wink:

Perhaps most importantly, though, is that I’m anticipating, rather than dreading, my “real” flight on Wednesday. Again, I’m not about to claim that I’ve ridded myself of any and all nervousness. But before the conception of today’s trip, even thinking about flying or watching a TV show where someone was flying was something that would get me so anxious that I’d have to think of something else to calm down.

Did I mention “Wow”? :smiley:

A most excellent adventure. You described it well enough to capture the fun you had. Can’t believe he let you hold the stick while he was flying.

I can’t believe he let you do a roll yourself. That is just the ultimate of cool!

Pictures! We need pictures!

Ask, and ye shall receive! I did take some pictures with my film camera, but I didn’t finish off the roll, so I’ll have those up in a few days, I hope. In the meantime, enjoy!

Sounds fantastic! It’s a whole different world up front where you can see what’s going on, isn’t it?

[evil hiss]

Joinnnnnn usssssssss…!

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Next thing you know, you’ll want be taking lessons and earning your private ticket. :slight_smile:

Man, I’ve got to get current!

Way cool… great pics … Really glad you did this and I am glad you let us go along for the ride…

One of the things I really miss in our post-9/11 world is being able to go into the cockpit when I fly.

I’m pretty nuts about flying but never had a chance to take lessons. One of my college courses was about “moving energy and things”, of course with a more technical name. One day the prof told us that the day’s lesson was not part of the curriculum; those who wanted to leave could; the subject was “why do planes stay up”. 1/3 of the class left. The other 2/3 had a great time learning about aerodynamics and drawing multicolored currents on the blackboard. Like going back to childhood, only I can’t recall my own childhood being that much fun :slight_smile:

Um…well I’d be lying if I said the thought hadn’t crossed my mind! However, in all honesty, I’ve already got enough passions and hobbies, some not even properly pursued (such as the drum lessons I stopped last year even though I was enjoying them), that I can’t reasonably see myself trying to pick up yet another interest about which to become obsessive. Particularly since flying lessons cost what they do.

However, I will say that I certainly hope this isn’t the last chance I get to go flying! :slight_smile:

To unabashedly quote one of my favorite comedy films, “It’s an entirely different kind of flying, altogether.” :cool: As Nava pointed out, I regret that I won’t have the opportunity to visit the cockpit of the commercial jet when I fly next week. But at least I have some idea of what they see out of the window when they’re in control up there. It hasn’t even been 24 hours yet, and it doesn’t seem real anymore.

This is so far beyond :cool: that you couldn’t find your way back to :cool: with a GPS set and a radar fix!

I’m envious. And you’ve got some huevos, dude. Talk about taking the bull by the horns…

Just as a postscript for anyone who cares, we just got back late last night from our vacation - a trip that involved both a four-hour and five and a half-hour flight. I was, MUCH to my surprise, completely fear-free on the flight from LA to Chicago. Granted, it was a very, very smooth flight, but in the past, I would normally have been paralyzed with the anticipation of turbulence even on a smooth flight. Coming home last night, the flight was quite a bit bumpier. Not a big deal to a seasoned flyer, apparently, but enough for the pilot to have the flight attendants sit down for about 45 minutes to an hour during the roughest patches. I’m not going to claim that I was happy during all of this, but I wasn’t in panic mode, and that was an enormous improvement. About three hours into the flight, I found that I was really, REALLY tired of being stuck on the plane, but I managed.

Again, my demeanor on these flights was several orders of magnitude better than on flights in the past few years. How much of that is attributable to the bi-plane flight, I can’t really say. But during the rough spots, I did feel that it helped to visualize that I was holding the stick and to remind myself of what it felt like to be pushed around while controlling the Pitts. Jakeline, who was impressed with the difference in my attitude during the flights, joked with me that I’ll have to take a bi-plane trip before every vacation flight in the future.

I don’t think she’ll have to twist my arm. :smiley:

Just be careful how you visualize stick flying. There are laws against those things in public. Congrats and don’t feel you’re not cured because 3 hrs seems like a long time to be cooped up. It is to me too.

Yeah, I’m not a big fan of being cooped up in an aeroplane either.

I’m really glad that your fears seem to have subsided. It must have been frustrating having a fear like that which you know is irrational but can’t escape. It must have been even more frustrating knowing that you didn’t used to have this fear.

Congratulations on taking the bull by the horns. I hope the effect is permanent.