Fasting for two days probably increases the chances quite a bit.
Anyway, as an outsider, I find it increasingly difficult to think of any criterion that would make someone unelectable as a republican POS - except possibly being an out-of-the-closet atheist. Even being homosexual wouldn’t be a real issue as long as you’re against SSM and publicly pray hard enough.
Yeah, I’ll agree with that. A popular Repub may be able to swing in with being “tolerant” with SSM or being homosexual, but atheist! “Oh! The theocracies will bomb us for sure”, say the tabloid readers! There’s plenty of voters who, I’m guessing, would feel quite a connection to someone who prays every day. :rolleyes:
Once again, Tarryl Clark is running for Bachmann’s Congressional seat. Is Bachmann running for both PotUS and re-election to the House, or is it an open seat? Be kinda funny if she loses both races…
Bachmann confuses John Wayne with John Wayne Gacy.
Hey, I can’t count how many times I’ve made that mistake myself.
She also confused “got tens of thousands of dollars in income each year” with “never recieved a penny”. [
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So the farm is her father-in-law’s farm… her dead father-in-law’s farm. And she never got any income from it, except for the income she did get.
Hey! She and RR speak the same language!
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:eek: You really think the American people would choose an idiot over a genius just because the economy sucks?!
I would call that cynical if I were too young to remember 1980.
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You are kidding, right? For one thing, your concept of who is or isn’t an ‘idiot’ verse who is or isn’t a ‘genius’ is obviously politically oriented. Leaving that aside, though, the economy is everything in an election in the US. Presidential elections are all about what the economy is doing. If it’s doing well, or if the people perceive that it’s doing well or doing better then incumbents generally have a fairly easy time getting re-elected, no matter what they have been doing during their term. If the economy sucks, though, then it’s definitely an uphill struggle for an incumbent, unless people think that things are getting better or that the president is doing what needs to be done to improve the situation…and even then it can be a struggle. Look at most of the one term presidents out there and look at the state of the economy during their one term and I think you’ll see that most of them had fairly serious economic issues going on during their term, and that this was a major factor in why they only got a single term.
Bachmann seems to be a loon to me, but you folks wishing and hoping that she gets the Republican nomination (presumably because you are under the impression that this will make Obama a shoe in for a second term) should perhaps consider that Obama is on pretty thin ice this election, especially if the economy stays flat or gets worse as some folks are predicting. She might get that nomination and end up the freaking president. Better to wish for a moderate candidate just in case.
-XT
And now she thanks John Wayne Gacy at her announcement!
“Well what I want them to know is just like John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That’s the kind of spirit that I have, too,” Bachmann told a Fox News reporter.
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Oh, I hope she wins! I mean, what about all those flourescent light bulbs that are dangerous to pets, the disabled and infants? I mean, think of the children!!
If you’re thinking of voting for this assclown, you should never be allowed to vote again. Of course, I said the same thing with Perot. :rolleyes:
Actually, when you and MSNBC need to play up the Gacy thing, you all just kind of sound desperate.
(John Wayne the ACTOR actually did live in Waterloo, IA for a time.)
But, it’s okay, man. Please keep thinking you can get Obama Re-elected with a 9% unemployment rate. Please keep discounting that there is real anger out there. Please keep living in denial.
I’m an old man, I guess. I remember this song. Left wingers who said, it didn’t matter what a bag of fail Jimmy Carter was, Americans would never elect anyone as radical as Ronald Reagan.
And please think you can make hay out of the fact that she and her husband took care of their sick father’s farm. Because, clearly, you know, Americans wouldn’t relate to that at all.
So let me get this straight, the Snoboarder Bo view.
Lie about servicemen committing attrocities. Lie about throwing your medals at Congress. Try to re-invent yourself as a hawk- PRESIDENTIAL.
WOrk hard to save a family farm- NOT PRESIDENTIAL.
Sorry, man, Bachmann scares me, but people like you will probably grease her path into the White House.
You mean like Obama visiting 57 states? Or Biden saying that FDR went on TV during the Depression? (Incidently, John Wayne did live in Waterloo for a time.)
You mean the bulbs that contain mercury? The ones that need to be treated as toxic waste?
the thing is, they are ALL assclowns. Obama’s an assclown. Romney’s an assclown.
The non-assclowns probably get fed up with the bs when they run for student council president.
Personally, I wouldn’t vote for her, based on some of the things she’s said. But honestly, I wouldn’t bet money against her at this point.
The problem isn’t that the dear, sweet thing pitched in and helped her family run the farm while her father-in-law was dying (cue sappy music), it was that SHE DECLARED SIX FIGURES IN INCOME FROM THE FRIGGIN FARM and now claims that she has not personally benefitted from farm subsidies. If she’s going to play the sappy music loud while continuing to deny that this makes for a real issue, well, she’ll appeal to her base but independent voters will be very skeptical.
Okay, guy, let me first qualify this statement by saying that I’m a non-believer (I don’t call myself an atheist because I can’t prove or disprove God one way or the other, but I have as much use for organized religion as organized crime.) One of the reasons I have no use for the GOP is because the religious crazies are taking it over.
But 90% of Americans believe in some kind of higher power, and 80% of them believe in Jesus Christ.
In fact, the reality is that the only thing that keeps us from having some sort of Christian based government is the various denominations distrust each other more than they distrust non-believers.
Hell, even Obama has to PRETEND he believes in talking snakes.
The scariest moment in 2008 for the plutocrats was when Huckabee won Iowa. He showed that you can win without bowing down to the altar of greed, just on the basis of the religious vote. So they went all out after the guy, settling on McCain when they couldnt’ sell Romney.
Bachmann could win along a similar path, but there really isn’t a McCain for them to fall back on, and she mouths the “Tax cuts for rich people/less regulations” mantras with sincerity, so they figure they might be able to live with her.
The biggest threat- AGAIN- is that if unemployment doesn’t come down, Obama is toast, regardless of who the Republicans run.
Independent voters will look at a 1.4 Trillion deficit and 9% unemployment and wonder why they have to wait until 2012 to show Obama the door.
Seriously, you want to be the one who wants to make hay out of a sick father, go ahead. Normal people would be kind of aghast at that.
Wow, guy, statements like that just kind of show you to be an out of touch elitist.
Hey, we got your enlightened, smart people in now.
9% unemployment.
1.4 Deficits.
We are in a “Great Disaster” now. Bush deserves some of the blame, to be sure, but so does Obama.
Bachmann is more like middle america than you want to admit.
Frankly, four years ago, I could have voted for her and not blinked twice.
Today, not so much, but another two years of this messed up Obama economy, and maybe I’ll revisit the issue.
Independents whose heads aren’t firmly up their asses will realize that Obama tried to address the largest contributor to the deficit, the Bush tax cuts, but the Republicans stonewalled. They will also realize that Obama didn’t introduce the Medicare prescription benefit, refuse to pay for it, and refuse to allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices. They will also realize that Bush started two wars but refused to pay for them. They will vote Republican if they believe that, against all evidence, cutting taxes for the rich will magically create jobs now even though they haven’t for the past decade. They will vote Republican if they will never become elderly and require Medicare in their declining years. They will vote Republican if they cling to silly topics like Obama’s 57 state gaffe, which has been explainedin sufficient detail to penetrate all but the densest of skulls.
I give Bachmann a pass on the John Wayne crap. She is a bit like the Duke, who was himself a bigoted piece of shit.
Bachmann’s John Wayne goof was inconsequential, I agree. Kinda like Palin’s Paul Revere thing. Not to mention Clinton’s “…and I didn’t inhale” thing. :smack: Everybody makes mistakes. Ultimately I think candidates can be forgiven a lot if voters like them and trust them to have a clue about what is happening in the country and to know what they want to do about it.
RR, are you saying you think Obama is really an atheist?
You’re now arguing across five threads that Obama is toast in 2012. If it’s such a foregone conclusion, why do you keep stating the same things over and over?
-Joe
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They will vote Republican if they believe that, against all evidence, cutting taxes for the rich will magically create jobs now even though they haven’t for the past decade.
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Well, you seem to believe that raising taxes (on only those making over $250k/year of course) will magically fix the deficit and create jobs, so I guess the counter magical believe is just as valid. 
But, you see, the Bush tax cuts WEREN’T the ‘largest contributor to the deficit’…the combination of two foreign wars and a total meltdown of our economy were larger contributors. And erasing the Bush Tax Cuts™ (for only the people making over $250k/year) isn’t going to somehow fix the problem and make everything right. Even if you got rid of ALL of the Bush tax cuts (which neither you nor the Republicans want to do, ironically enough) it wouldn’t magically fix the problem.
I think most independents are going to understand that Bush got us into this mess. But that doesn’t mean that they are going to give Obama a pass…he’s had several years to fix the problem and the economy is only marginally better today than it was when he took office, with unemployment only slightly better. Taxing The Rich™ may play to his base, but it’s not going to fix the economy. I’m all for removing ALL of the Bush tax cuts, personally, but I know that this isn’t going to magically inject trillions of dollars back into the government and reduce the deficit, nor is it going to magically fix the economy.
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No, raising taxes for those making over $250K isn’t going to fix the deficit by itself. But that shouldn’t keep us from doing it. Look at this chart. Repealing ALL the Bush cuts would be a huge step in the right direction. The stimulus is but a blip on the radar compared to the tax cuts. The right wing keeps chirping the same mantra “you can’t raise taxes in a recession” as if it was true, but the converse which IS true “you shouldn’t cut government spending in an economic downturn” doesn’t get any play.
Raising taxes will do a lot more to fix the deficit than lowering them will. And based on the evidence of past history, it’ll at worst have no effect on job creation.
Again who the hell here is criticizing her for helping take care of a sick relative? What people are making fun of her for is saying she never benefited from the farm when her own financial disclosure forms state otherwise.