Okay, Bo-bo, I understand, man. Have some nice kool-aid, will you?
Like I said, since Obama’s Libya policy is incoherent, I’m not sure what I’m supposed to be supporting here. I mean, I’d like to support the guy, and I’m sure that the troops would like to do a really good job, but it would be nice if he actually gave us an actual goal he was going for.
Are we just protecting the rebels, or are we trying to oust Khadafy?
What national interest are we actually pursuing here?
Who are these Rebels anyway, and are some of them linked to Al Qaeda?
If this is a NATO operation, then why are key NATO players like Germany and Italy against it?
But here’s the real questions.
We’re the Effin’ United States of AMERICA, man. We should be able to squash Khadafy like a cockroach if that’s what we really wanted to do. This thing never should have dragged on for this long. This isn’t like Vietnam where we we were supporting our proxies against the Soviet Union’s proxies, and we had to be careful. The whole world hates Khadafy and absolutely no one will mourn him when he’s gone. I guess I can call it fail because it sure looks like fail to me.
So again, if Obama wants our support on this, then he really ought to make the case and give us a coherent policy.
I’m not sure what your personal issue with Snowboarder Bo is, but this kind of immature sniping belongs in The BBQ Pit, not in a forum for civil discussion. I admit my previous notes to you were about off-topic comments about Snowboarder Bo rather than direct rudeness, but enough it enough. Our main rule here is “Don’t be a jerk,” and your comments in his direction violate that rule. You need to stop this immediately.
The guy’s been stalking me since I pointed out that his notion that Kerry was wronged is a bit silly. besides, I was being nice. I told him he needed to calm down a bit and take a breathe… I would also invite you to go through this thread and score who made the most personal attacks. It certainly wasn’t me.
Oh, I’m also wondering when it’s considered “civil” to call the mother of a disabled child “fucking retarded and crazy”.
I don’t like the woman, but I’d call that pretty “uncivil”.
Upon further review, I think I should go more into detail.
I’m pointing out he’s not getting the job done or even keeping his own promises. Remember, he called Afghanistan the “War of Necessity” (as opposed to Iraq, which was the “War of Choice”)
What I’m not doing is protesting at a military base, throwing my medals back at Congress. (Not that they’d be impressed with the medals I won for pushing paper), or accusing soldiers of committing attrocities on unverified evidence. Nor am I going to Kabul and sitting on top of an anti-aircraft gun.
I’m just asking- ummmm, what are we trying to accomplish here, exactly.
Except that’s not what they were doing. They were outright CHEERING FOR OUR ENEMIES and slandering our troops. I certainly don’t want the Taliban to win, for no other reason that I don’t want us to have to go back in there and do this again in 10 years.
I guess you could make that argument. Of course, the policy seemed pretty coherent to me. Get Saddam. Get the terrorists, establish a stable government. All those things were accomplished before Bush left office. All Obama had to do was not screw up the withdrawl…
From what I’ve seen, the answer is “you,” although I see he did break the rules by calling you “delusional” in a different thread and I will respond to that. Please familiarize yourself with the rules here. And if you have other questions, please put them in a private message or start a thread in the About This Message Board forum.
“Ah, careful, RR! You’re allowing your true colors to shine thru with comments like this and calling the President “The One” and stuff.”
"So you get paid to shop? Must be nice, but not what I’d consider a “real” job. Heck, most people shop and buy stuff every day. And most of us do it with our own money too. "
“Hey! She and RR speak the same language!”
I could dig up more, and I’m sure you sent Bo a few notes about the civility thing, too.
But I said “Koolaid”, and that was uncivil… I guess.
I just said very clearly that if you want to continue this conversation, you need to talk to me in private or start a thread in ATMB. This is supposed to be a thread about Michelle Bachmann, and the people reading it don’t want to hear a long discussion of your opinions of Snowboarder Bo or my opinions of the rules. Either start that other discussion or let it go. Either way, don’t post about it in this thread again.
Sorry, but this is not the “Obama economy”. It’s still the same inherited economy that he had in the beginning, and it’s proving much tougher to turn around than anybody expected (other than some realistic economists who said that the earliest recovery would probably be 2012 or later). It was a collossal upgefuck, and expectations were unrealistically high for a quick recovery. Since most of the banks are back to doing business as usual, there could be another collapse in the not-so-distant future. We can thank the Bush administration for gutting that oversight, as well, and the Republicans in the House for the recent blocking of the creation of an agency that can effectively ride herd on those fuckers.
My memory is that quite a few, respected economists said the economy wouldn’t show significant improvement until 2012 or later, and that even then it would be slow.
People don’t appreciate how severe the various crashes were–the worst all during the tenure of the previous administration.
Because of that, I still think RR is at least right that the average “swing” voter is still going to hold Obama to blame for the lack of significant recovery.
Bush inherited a 4 percent unemployment rate . He cranked it up to 8.4 and drove the economy off the cliff The economy was leaking jobs by the boatfull when Bush left. That is what he dumped in Obama’s lap. I suppose some Repubs actually think Obama caused the economic mess. Repeat a lie often enough and it will take root.
The Bush types still dominate the Repubs running for prez. There is no reason, when you see what the crazy Republican governors are up to, to believe there is any saving grace in the Repubs. Bachmann is at the bottom of these crazies. They have declared war on the working man while doing everything the extremely wealthy want. That is not a great way to take over the presidency.
They will accelerate the suppression of voters. They will pour tons of big money on the Repub candidates. The question is whether that will be enough/ I am beginning to doubt it. The baclklash toward the governors is strong and growing stronger. The Repubs may have miscalculated badly.
Now I agree, Obama was actually trying to do the right thing by putting back the controls that were loosened actually all the way back to Jimmy Carter. But let’s also point out that Obama hasn’t exactly been too keen on prosecuting the scoundrals who obviously did break the law. Other than Bernie Madoff, none of these guys have seen the inside of a courtroom.
Heck, Bush prosecuted the Enron Crooks, and frankly, if I have to use Bush as a good example, you know we have a problem.
The government of Iraq isn’t exactly stable, and there were still plenty of terrorists when Bush left office (you might have heard about Obama nabbing one of them recently?). Of course, it’s hardly surprising that Bush didn’t manage to get the terrorists, given that most of them were in places other than Iraq that Bush was pretty much ignoring.