Hey! 
I guess U could substitute ground chicken, right? I don’t eat pork or red meat and some vegies because of the purines (which aggravate the arthritic gout).
But that sounds really good, enipla, THANKS!~
That is **some ** deep-seated (what?) anger?
I’m sorry Springs1, I know you probably wouldn’t like me either, but even if you were single, I wouldn’t want to be out on a date with you.
I don’t “do” confrontational" well, and prefer the easy ways.
Plus with the way I feel about Server staff, I’m afraid we’d be at odds all throughout dinner…
Hey, Shit-for-brains: The fact that he was arrested to begin with should say something about the MENU that it IS something you should READ and DO what it says if you want to ORDER from it.
http://restaurantramblings.com/2008/08/automatic-gratuity-disaster/
“The waiter suggested that it was their policy, and that it appeared right on the menu.”
See, how the waiter pointed out “THE MENU” that it was their POLICY, TYPED?
The party ended up being 8 people, therefore, the restaurant was LEGALLY OK to CHARGE the customers automatic grautuity that they AGREED TO when they initially ordered. If another guest decide to arrive, they should have asked for a separate table or not ordered ANYTHING. This person ordered a glass of wine, so that person was INDEED were part of that party.
I am NOT WRONG. To be embarrassed to get arrested in the first place is NOT something I would want to happen to me since I have NEVER been arrested in my lifetime. NO, not “FUCK THE MENU”, because that’s what you order from. That’s what tells you what you get. Servers write hate things on blogs about that some customers don’t read the menu and have the server telling them what sides or dressing they have when it’s ON THE MENU ALREADY. HOW IRRITATING for the server to repeat that over and over.
I like this blog on youtube, it’s SO TRUE!
The problem is, a lot of customers DON’T READ THE MENU, therefore WASTE THE SERVER’S TIME as well as OTHER CUSTOMER’S TIME. By not reading the menu, they end up not realizing for example, “I didn’t know this had mushrooms in it”, "Can you please take this back and have them remake it?
Can you imagine how IRRITATING it is for a server to deal with that crap? The menu should be your ONE KEY when ordering your food and if it’s not specific, that’s when you ask your server such as most menus don’t list what comes in side salads, because I know from my own personal experiences with that type of thing.
If you send something back, it should be because it’s wrong due to someone in the staff(the server or the kitchen staff that got it wrong), NOT EVER, because the customer ordered it wrong! That’s so inconsiderate. I’ve ordered wrong at least twice in my lifetime and didn’t change my order or send it back, because I am NOT going to be that person. I suffered with the red sauce that was hot on my chimichunga all because I forgot to order it without it, which TWICE I did that at 2 different mexican restaurants, believe it or not. I did NOT make the waitstaff suffer for my own FORGETFULNESS.
NO, you recourse is to be able to PROVE your rights through what the MENU has on it. I have fought to the very end and won with a coupon battle before that I was 100% right about.
I would say “Hey, the menu states it’s in this CATEGORY of “FOUNTAIN BEVERAGES” so HOW can you possibly ARGUE with TYPED STUFF ON A MENU THAT WE ORDER FROM?”
They couldn’t argue with WRITTEN PROOF!
As far as stiffing or reducing the tip, the server knows what they are supposed to charge or not charge, so it’s up to THEM to pay out of their OWN POCKET if they want a decent tip if their manager doesn’t do the"RIGHT THING." It’s not OK for them to decide to still charge us if the menu states otherwise. Legally, it is the server charging us, NOT the manager, NOT the OWNER, and NOT the RESTAURANT, because the SERVER is PRESSING THE BUTTONS.
If they don’t care, FUCK THEIR TIP, they DESERVE NOTHING for not CARING about anyone else’s money except for their own.
If it’s in writing, there sure is. ANYTHING in writing is 100% PURE PROOF!
There’s a SUCKER BORN EVERYDAY! You were OVERCHARGED! It proves YOU’RE THE IDIOT FOR LETTING THEM OVERCHARGE YOU and NOT READING THE MENU CAREFULLY!
Oh man, I’ve had gout in my big toe. I feel for you. That is pain. I have to be careful about my purines too.
(48 years old, 140 or so stitches so far. Just got done with shoulder surgery. ALL of that was a walk in the park compared to gout in my big toe. That was pain.)
… concluding… hell yes go for chicken. That actually sounds better.
Just looked in the fridge….
The chicken breasts are thawed. I stuck them back in the freezer. That will help when I cut them up in about and hour.
I have peanut oil and lots of different veggies. Stir-fry is on its way. Ooooo lots of almonds to dice up as well…
I’m just not sure if I should do rice or noodles for the starch.
I may go crazy and do both.
Except for wanting this settled, and having Springs1 as a contributing member of SDMB, I don’t have a “dog in this fight”, But… you know what just warms my heart?
“Hey, Mr.C! Would you like to hear our Specials tonight?”
And then begins a culinary soliloquy accompanied by a smile, and I always listen (unless I already know what I want? And then I say, “Naw, Hon, just bring me my usual”)
How many people do you think, are so thoughtless as to let that server recite that whole list, and then say something stupid, like “Nah we’ll just have the chicken fingers, fries and iced tea”, when you know they were only half-listening, if at all?
Or worse, let her go all the way through it and then say “Huh”? (whole table laughs).
No. It’s a symbiotic relationship, and it can be a pleasant one, but both parties have to make an effort.
Godammit, I shouldn’t have to explain the fucking Zen and the Art of Dining Out on this site! Yeah, we’re ignrn’t, but when hundreds of people tell you, you’re wrong, and care enough to stay with you and explain (happened with me too, Springs1) you oughta at least say to yourself, “maybe there’s something I need clarified”.
Jesus, Honey!
I call everybody Honey (even the guys) so don’t start, okay?
Quasi
Springs1 is a RAVING LUNATIC. I have 100% PURE PROOF! because here it is in WRITING!
Hey enipla!
I was in your neck of the woods last year! Bike ridin’!
Got my identity stolen, so now I don’t know who the hell I am!
But, I guess I better get used to that, huh?
I was reading your ingredients, and now I have all this spit rollin around in mah mouf!
Quasi
Springs1 –
My suggestion is to walk away from this thread with a little knowledge that most people have a different idea about dinning out than you do.
That’s OK.
But please take something from this thread. Read it and think about it.
enipla - Doug
Yeah, let’s leave it alone and come back to it later.
We’ll get it fixed.
If we can get me fixed, we can get anything else fixed (and I am not saying you can’t disagree, but dayum woman! :))
This is going to come out just fine. I’m convinced of it!
I’m off to Azeroth to kill me some Defias Thugs (who are way easier to subdue than Springs1!)
Tonight is party night and I got me this purty little elf with hardly anything on who may be back!
[Groucho waggling eyebeows]
Q
Bravo! It warms the heart to see dopers from all walks of life come together to lay the beatdown on teh stupid.
I’m fairly sure the woman I’m speaking of must be dead by now, either from stress-induced stroke or homicide at the hands of her browbeaten husband—who actually seemed friendly, and would shoot me what I took to be apologetic expressions each time his harridan wife had one of her frequent temper tantrums. She had a long list of what were actually fairly minor and reasonable requirements, which (if she had announced them with a modicum of patience and grace) would likely have never led to any problems. Instead, she relied on the waitstaff to anticipate her quirks, and “trained” them after the fact by reacting with eye-rolling sighs (at best) or snarling rage (at worst).
Her perpetual spite was so extreme that I became amused by it. Since nobody else could deal with her (including my manager, a genial Brooklynite whom everyone loved, who was literally *screeched *at for addressing the couple with “can I get *you guys *anything else?”), and I had managed to memorize the laundry list of instructions that would keep the lioness in her cage, I ended up becoming “their” waiter. To this day, I get laughs from my friends whenever I describe what a bitch the woman was, so I guess I owe her a debt of gratitude, wherever she may be decomposing.
See? Told ya’. They’re already sweetinin’ up a little (and trust me, I can tell!)
The above quote is like an olive branch, Springs1!
The Unofficial SDMB “Greeter”
Q
And people wonder why we wonder about moderators around here. :eek:
Let us know when you run out of anecdotes and finally get around to backing up your silly delusions with fact. You know, when you say “it’s the law” you actually cite the specific law you’re referencing. Not some other schmuck’s rant on the Way Thing Are From My Point-of-View Variety Show.
Oh, it’s your right, is it? Is that the Right to Free Refills™ God-given or granted by the Constitution? So, you’ve won the “coupon battle” and believe this means it’s law. Well, you’ve said you’re married so I guess it’s safe to assume that you’ve only the shrewd intellect of an eight year old. I don’t suppose it’s occurred to you that it’s cheaper in the long run for managers to placate complaining customers with coupons and comps. Of course not. No, no, that would be too obvious and fails to stroke your ego as that all-too-important proof that your whining was justified. Is tossing you a coupon for a free meal at Red Lobster all it takes to get you to shut the fuck up? Pshaw, why didn’t you say so? I can get one of those without making a big fuss over a lousy Coke. PM me your address and I’ll send it to you.
No, that windy noise isn’t the air between your ears *this *time.
That’s good. Did you just write that, or am I being whooshed…
No, that was me. Did my accent sound strange?
Umm, no, but hard to tell because of the loud laughter in reading.
Anyway, I want a REFILL, pronto.
You’re not for real, are you? I wouldn’t want to see what would happen if your server brought you the wrong drink. You’d probably have a stroke.
It’s not RUDE or LAZY for the server to bring you a refill on the drink YOU ordered. It saves time for everyone if they DON’T stop by your table first to ask Your Highness if you would prefer to switch to a different brand of soft drink. I don’t see how any normal person could call this pushy. That’s just ridiculous.
Are you really that impatient that it bothers you when it takes a few extra minutes for the drink to get to your table? You’ve already had one full glass. It’s not like you’re going to die of dehydration. :rolleyes:
If you’re paying your own personal servants, you can expect them to do exactly what you want precisely when you want them to do it. When you eat at Chili’s, you’re not paying nearly enough for that kind of personal service. You seem to believe that servers are soulless automatons who should be able to predict exactly what you want them to do so they don’t waste even a second of your oh-so-precious time.
You might actually have a better chance of getting what you want if you leave a tip and don’t act like such a crazypants.
I have been given the wrong drink before. I didn’t have a stroke. I was pissed that the servers did the ordering for me instead of me doing my own ordering for myself like it’s SUPPOSED TO BE!
You don’t get, I haven’t ORDERED that refill YET!
How could I have placed my order if I only ordered “A COKE?”
Do you have NO COMMON SENSE to speak of or what? That’s the way you are acting.
When someone orders let’s say a coke, that means ONLY ONE GLASS, NOT SEVERAL GLASSES OF THE COKE. “A COKE” is ONE, otherwise the customer would say they’d want more than “A COKE” when placing their order.
The menu states if I choose to, I can have complimentary or free refills IF I CHOOSE. It’s not MANDATORY to get them, nor is it mandatory to keep the same drink preference either.
HOW can you say it “SAVES TIME” if they get you the wrong drink? Do you have ANY COMMON SENSE TO SPEAK OF? If they get you the wrong drink, it just WASTED TIME. Not only for the customer that didn’t want that drink, but also for other customers as well.
If they guessed right, it would save time, BUT, is it really their right? OF COURSE THEY AREN’T SUPPOSED TO BE ORDERING FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION TO! They may save time if they guess right, but if they guess wrong, it sure wastes time.
HOW, when they don’t have ANY RIGHTS TO DECIDE IF OR WHAT YOU WANT TO DRINK, so HOW IN THE WORLD ISN’T THAT PUSHY TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION?
If it’s not the drink I wanted, WHY should I be happy? That wasn’t nice to be so INCONSIDERATE as to not ASK ME what I wanted by just getting what THEY WANTED or ASSUMED I wanted.
It’s not just about time, it’s about that they had the NERVE to ORDER FOR ME as if they think they can pick and choose what I* WANT TO DRINK! WTF IS THAT ALL ABOUT?
SO WHAT if I have a glass if it’s not what I wanted! WHAT AN UNCARING EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING YOU ARE! WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "CUSTOMER SERVICE"? It’s up to the CUSTOMER to decide IF OR WHAT THEY WANT IN THEIR SERVICE, NOT THEIR SERVER! WHERE THE HELL DO YOU GET OFF THINKING A SERVER HAS ANY RIGHTS TO DECIDE ON WHAT THE CUSTOMER WILL DRINK OR IF THEY EVEN WANT MORE DRINK? WHY DID WE GET A MENU THEN IF IT’S UP TO JUST THE SERVER? WHY ARE WE PAYING A SERVER WELL IF THEY AREN’T GETTING US WHAT WE WANT? Customers order for THEMSELVES!
NO, when you pay ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY, you should get personal service, just as they are getting PERSONAL MONEY to buy things they want. They are getting money for personal reasons, we should get personal service. It’s personal when it’s something that is being taken into a person’s body. HOW can it get any more personal, you know?
Personal service is what you are supposed to get when you go out to eat at a non-fast food restaurant and are PAYING for the service. Shouldn’t you get what YOU want when you are PAYING for the service? How is the server going to know what YOU WANT unless there is some type of communication involved? NO SERVERS CAN READ MINDS!
ANY amount of tip money you should expect what you order and not expect what you don’t order at your table even at Denny’s even. It IS personal service even at Denny’s or Chili’s or Applebee’s, etc. They are getting personal money that we aren’t required to tip on a party of 2, so it SURE IS PERSONAL when it comes to tipping for service.