Sid, if, as I dimly begin to suspect, you were intending to channel Tom Cruise, I’m afraid your joke was too subtle to be seen.
[QUOTE=fluiddruid]
Please quote honestly.
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Fuck you for calling me a liar. In doing so you expose yourself as a friend of stupidity.
[QUOTE=Jodi]
Sid, if, as I dimly begin to suspect, you were intending to channel Tom Cruise, I’m afraid your joke was too subtle to be seen.
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Yeah, story of my life.
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso]
Yeah, story of my life.
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You’re-you’re a jerk. You’re a jerk! You’re glib!
It’s okay-I was like, “WTF?” at first, then I figured it out. You might wanna include a smiley-never know around here.
[QUOTE=Malacandra]
There is a substantive difference between believing in God and believing in the Magic Sky Pixie, the Invisible Pink Unicorn, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or an invisible friend.
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Yeah, you and/or people you love believe in god but not the sky pixie. That’s as far as it goes.
A person who felt they could prove they aren’t nuts probably wouldn’t mind it that much. You don’t see us atheists all defensive about why we don’t in your god.
[QUOTE=Dob]
I was going to take Badchad’s responses and refute them one by one, but after reading them again, he, once again, isn’t trying to learn or debate anything, just insult.
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Well I think the point is that we both agree Catholics are irrational. We also both agree that your religious remnants are irrational. I’m not sure what I said to you that’s left to refute.
[QUOTE=Dob]
So per him I am insecure and irrational.
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This threads pretty long so I don’t recall if I said you were insecure or not, but you said you were irrational. I just agreed with you.
[QUOTE=Dob]
Do you think the other 6.45 billion of us are insecure and irrational?
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Can’t say about insecure but certainly their beliefs, at least as it pertains to religion, are irrational.
[QUOTE=Dob]
Do you feel yourself the last bastion of truth and light in the world?
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No, just one of 160 million, as per your math.
[QUOTE=Jodi]
Kalhoun, this is the problem with evil and people have been arguing about it for over 3000 years. There’s a very good, unbias article on it here. There’s a less dense, more accessible article here. Personally, the answer that is most persuasive to me – and it is by no means totally persausive – is a combination of free will among people (explaining most “artificial” evils) and natural processes (explaining most “natural” evils).
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First I have to ask why you would accept that your god is all loving, all powerful, and existent, when your own reasoning and 3000 years of argument still is not totally persuasive. Second I should point out that the bible says you are predestinated, and that means you don’t have free will. Third, seeing is how you don’t actually give a shit about what the bible says, I’ll point out that there is no reason outside of the bible to assume you have free will either, other than perhaps the warm fuzzy feeling that yet another illusion gives you.
[QUOTE=Jodi]
It isn’t a perfect explanation but, to the extent it isn’t, the rest I believe I am required to take on faith, with the expectation that what is inexplicable to me know will make sense some day. (“Now, we see through a glass darkly, but then, face to face.”)
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Ha, you Christians are all the same. Just like a fundamentalist who says he doesn’t know how Noah fit all those animals on the ark or gathered up penguins, you can’t answer the problem of evil. Fundamentalists there irrationalities on faith using the exact same excuses you do. And yet you look down upon these same fundamentalists, you lowly hypocrite.
[QUOTE=Jodi]
I appreciate the fact that you’re thinking about this; I only ever objected to your assumption that I haven’t, or couldn’t possibly because I’m not smart enough.
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It appears to me that you thought about it a little and just gave up thinking and started faithing when things got difficult. If I were you, I’d keep hiding my beliefs under a bushel.
[QUOTE=Jodi]
We’re still on “The Problem of Evil 101”. How can a choice made without consequences still be considered “free”?
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There is no free will Jodi. Might I suggest you back up and take the course “Causality 077.” You might try reading the books Exodus, Romans and Ephesians while you’re at it.
[QUOTE=Jodi]
At the end of the day you’re no more confident in your disbelief than I am in my belief – and no more able to prove it. The difference is that I admit I don’t know. You don’t.
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Am I getting this correct Jodi? You are admitting you don’t know if the Christian god is real?
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
If you seriously think that the Catholic church is just as bad as Scientology, then I really don’t know what to say to you.
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Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t recall Scientologists murdering and torturing people. Catholics are famous for it.
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
If you’re so secure in your beliefs, then why do you NEED to go around mocking people about their’s?
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Why do you mock JerseyDiamond, Joe Cool, and lynn73? Does it make you feel big?
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
Obviously, Jodi, Sarafeena or Polycarp don’t need to put down others to feel good about themselves.
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I seem to recall at least one of those guys regularly putting down JerseyDiamond, Joe Cool, and lynn73.
[QUOTE=badchad]
Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t recall Scientologists murdering and torturing people. Catholics are famous for it.
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:eek: You’re kidding, right?
:dubious:
Indeed you are wrong. Very wrong. Look up Lisa McPherson, for starters.
Because, much like you, they acted like assholes and were called on it. Again, it’s not your beliefs, it’s your behavior. Those three treated everyone around them like shit.
[QUOTE=DrDeth]
Maybe a tenth, sure. 
But you’re more in there with DtC, and such. Yeah, you’re an atheist, and you’d give Fundies a hard time, but you’re not an asshole about being an atheist. I’d debate with you. You’re an OK dude.
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DrDeth if that doesn’t sum up this entire thread better than anything else I don’t know what does. Contrapuntal is ok by your definition, only because he gives fundies a hard time, but wouldn’t dream of criticizing your personal irrationality. The same goes for Diogenes the Cynic. You don’t mind debating him because he picks on others and not you. Did you ever think that when fundamentalists leave this place they think to themselves what a bunch of assholes you all are? I personally can’t say if you are an ass or not but you sure are one hell of a hypocrite.
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
You’re kidding, right?
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Nope.
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
Indeed you are wrong. Very wrong. Look up Lisa McPherson, for starters.
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Ok I looked it up. So Scientologists maybe contributed to an accidental death of Lisa McPherson, and all criminal charges were dropped. And you are comparing this to the Inquisition, Crusades, etc., and tell me I’m wrong, very wrong, with a post full of emoticons. Well if that’s what you call wrong, I don’t want to be right. BTW, how many deaths do you estimate the Catholic Church is responsible for?
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
Because, much like you, they acted like assholes and were called on it. Again, it’s not your beliefs, it’s your behavior. Those three treated everyone around them like shit.
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I can’t speak for the other two but I did converse a few times with Lynn73 and thought she was a very nice lady, even if misguided.
Lisa McPherson wasn’t their only death. Look, we’re not going to agree on the Catholic church vs. Scientology, and it’s a hijack anyway.
The point isn’t, btw, whether the Catholic church is good or bad-it’s whether or not YOU are acting like an asshat. Which you are.
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
Lisa McPherson wasn’t their only death. Look, we’re not going to agree on the Catholic church vs. Scientology, and it’s a hijack anyway.
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Oh, so Scientologists may be responsible for a handful of deaths that you apparently expect me to take on faith, compared to Catholic Church which has killed what, tens of thousands, or is it hundreds of thousands? Perhaps we should make a ratio if estimated deaths.
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
The point isn’t, btw, whether the Catholic church is good or bad-it’s whether or not YOU are acting like an asshat. Which you are.
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You’re the one that started saying Catholics were better. Sorry if your argument isn’t going as well as you hoped.
[QUOTE=Revtim]
It’s exactly like if I were to start kicking my dog randomly, so that he can learn how to avoid being kicked by me randomly.
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I think it’s more like letting your kid touch the hot stove so he knows not to do it again.
“But why would an omnibenevolent God create the hot stove in the first place, since He would know that the kid would come along and touch it? Isn’t that eeeeeevil?”
I would suggest that we still have some growing we need to do, some lessons to learn.
“But why wouldn’t an omnibenevolent God just create us all growed up and full of all the knowledge we needed? Isn’t it kind of mean that He could do that, but doesn’t?”
To that I would say…wouldn’t that just be boring?
Oh, and badchad? It’s predestined, not predestinated. I’m not picking on you, it’s just that you’ve done that a couple times this thread and it’s bothering me.
[QUOTE=Sarahfeena]
The Church claims inerrancy of their Catechism, not of the Bible. That is, they have never taught Biblical literalness. They believe that their interpretation of it is inerrant.
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I found the following in the Catholic Catechism cited once by Tomndebb. In it was:
So Sarahfeena, would you like to amend a statement or two of yours?
[QUOTE=Lord Ashtar]
Oh, and badchad? It’s predestined, not predestinated. I’m not picking on you, it’s just that you’ve done that a couple times this thread and it’s bothering me.
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Sorry, the KJB spells it predestinated, which I guess today is a little archaic.
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
It’s okay-I was like, “WTF?” at first, then I figured it out.
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Yeah, that’s great that you apologize now. But in the mean time you were hitting “Report This Post” like you were making Morse Code. Admit it.
[QUOTE=Lord Ashtar]
To that I would say…wouldn’t that just be boring?
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YMMV but boring is, IMO, preferable to little girls being raped and killed. Otherwise it seems that you are arguing that heaven will be boring since heaven is generally thought to be without evil.
[QUOTE=badchad]
I found the following in the Catholic Catechism cited once by Tomndebb. In it was:
So Sarahfeena, would you like to amend a statement or two of yours?
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Sure. I confused two issues by using the word “inerrent” as a substitute for theword “literal.” The Catholic Church does believe that scripture in inerrent, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they think every word should be taken literally. Sorry my post was not clear.
[QUOTE=badchad]
YMMV but boring is, IMO, preferable to little girls being raped and killed. Otherwise it seems that you are arguing that heaven will be boring since heaven is generally thought to be without evil.
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That little girls get raped and murdered is, without question, a terrible thing.
With that in mind, what would be the point of living if we already knew everything there is to know? If we had nothing to grow into, no goals to accomplish, no great discoveries to…well, discover, what would be the reason to stay alive?
[QUOTE=Lord Ashtar]
That little girls get raped and murdered is, without question, a terrible thing.
With that in mind, what would be the point of living if we already knew everything there is to know? If we had nothing to grow into, no goals to accomplish, no great discoveries to…well, discover, what would be the reason to stay alive?
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It sounds like you are arguing that little girls being raped and murdered is a small sacrifice to allow your life to have meaning. Also it seems you are arguing that the presence of evil makes the world a preferable state, than what awaits a few of you in heaven, where everything is supposed to be peachy all the time. If god can make us tolerate eternal bliss in heaven he should be able to do it on earth. If god can’t make us tolerate eternal bliss in heaven, well, then you better start sinning.
[QUOTE=El Cid Viscoso]
Yeah, that’s great that you apologize now. But in the mean time you were hitting “Report This Post” like you were making Morse Code. Admit it.
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What’s your crime? Confess your crime!
[QUOTE=badchad]
First I have to ask why you would accept that your god is all loving, all powerful, and existent, when your own reasoning and 3000 years of argument still is not totally persuasive . . . .
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Ask away. I wasn’t talking to you. If you could read through thirteen pages of this thread and imagine I have any intention of discussing my faith with you, here and now, or anywhere and ever, you’re nuts. Feel free to continue to chime in from the peanunt gallery, but be advised that when you start weighing on the specifics of religion, I stop reading your posts. I give Kalhoun the benefit of the doubt – you, not so much.
Sid, I apologize for snarling at you. There’s a fine line between snark and humor, and it’s especially hard to see in the Pit.