Banning Burkinis (or Veils/Headscarves)

That is quite fine but there is no perhaps.

If these French were so concerned in reality about the muslim women in the France and the ability to lead the independent lives, they would address the documented discrimination in the job market against the persons with the wrong name and face, that is the names associated with being African and Muslim (whether secular or not).

But twenty years of documentation by both the foreign studies and the French (private as the otherwise oppressively interventionist and economically incompetent government piously asserts no role in this aspect of the job market, although they feel they should dictate any aspect of any contract otherwise), there is no action at all. Just the typical Enarque class lofty pious declarations.

So we have all the evidence of the real concerns.

Liberté, égalité, fraternité.

You gotta admit, they talk a good game. :dubious:

It seems like a fine law. After all wearing a full body rubber suit is doubtless going to lead to women overheating and possibly passing out at the beach. Then when the paramedics arrive to help these women when they pass out I’m sure these women wouldn’t want the suits cut off in order to save their lives since it’ll mean they will be exposed and immodest to men who aren’t their husbands. Leading them to die of simple heat stroke which could have been avoided had they just not worn the darn thing in the first place.

See banning women from wearing these things at the beach isn’t “anti-Muslim” it is done in order to save lives… How dare you all want Muslim women to die, I’m shocked.

How does that work…:smiley:

So let me get this straight

Banned! Nobody in France wants to go to the beach and see this sort of thing…

This however is perfectly alright.

Good question. I suppose when EMTs are called to help, just let 'em die I guess. Gotta respect those misandrous Muslim women.

I sure as hell wouldn’t want one ofthese misandrists treating me or a loved one. Can you imagine a Muslim female EMT? Sorry, you die evil man. I’m not touching you.

Did you actually read the article?

It’s not about whether or not they can touch a patient. It’s about prevention of transferring diseases through contact with clothes. Specifically, long sleeves. NHS recommends clothing with short sleeves so that medical staff can scrub up to the elbow to maintain hygiene. Those who cannot wear short sleeves due to religious practices, can opt to wear gloves that cover up to the elbow. Medical professionals are required to change gloves between patients, in lieu of scrubbing up between patients.

It’s far less alarming when you take the time to understand the issue.

Thanks, because of that last link I have to buy a new keyboard.

Two click rule, please! :eek:

Saw this article on the BBC. Sales are going up over the bans.

Reducto ad absurdum much? To claim that that’s what the poster you’re responding to meant, is not just poor argument --it is ***loathesome.


If I had the discretionary money to spend for making a political statement, I would commission some burkini style beach suits in the style of League of Justice superheroes (I will claim dibs on being Batwoman) and me and my sisters would go hang out at those beaches just daring someone to arrest us.

Everyone keeps on about their rights and one of those rights is to be protected from terrorism. If I dress or behave in a manner that leads others to believe that I am a threat to those around me then I should not be surprised if I am challenged. We live in times when the threat to our lives is Islamist so it should not come as a surprise that anyone wearing Islamic dress will come under suspicion, In the UK I have seen people asked to remove their hoodis, crash helmets when in public places, so why not ask Muslim woman to remove their face vail, Islamic dress does not only conceal a persons identity but can also conceal weapons. But this does not exclude Christian nuns whos mode of dress can be used to commit acts of terror.

Have you seen full-body swim-wear? While it covers the skin, it does not hide the form. There’s no place to conceal firearms or explosives.

And full-body swim-wear is not Islamic. Most people with it (at least in SoCal) will be wearing it for protection from the sun or the chilly water.

Or because it’s part of their cosplay outfit.

Nope. Never see that in LA. :wink:

You’re giving these people too much credit. They’re not scared about firearms or explosives inside the suit. They’re scared because there’s a Muslim inside the suit.

In their mind, a Muslim wearing a burkini is a threat. Of course, in their mind a Muslim not wearing a burkini is also a threat - they’re obviously concealing their identity for some sinister purpose.

Yes I have seen full-body swim-wear and yes it is none Islamic. I have seen woman in full Islamic dress on beaches in France as well as England. The police were probably reacting to a complaint, one of the reports that I read stated that the police advised her to cover her hair but not her face. As for the headlines ARMED POLICE what else would you expect in France (in America probably Navy Seals) The whole episode has been over hyped on a poor news day

The burkini ban has been overturned by France’s highest administrative court

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/top-french-court-to-rule-on-legality-of-burkini-bans/2016/08/26/18499b64-6b64-11e6-91cb-ecb5418830e9_story.html?postshare=9931472218145750&tid=ss_tw

The story doesn’t say but it seems likely that the legal finding was based on the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights. If so I wonder if the anti-Muslim elements in France which seem to be gaining support might view this as reason for a #Frexit vote.

Also from reading it seems that articles are saying that this will set a precedent for other French towns with similar bans. I was under the impression that under civil law systems, such as is found in France, that precedent wasn’t something that courts paid any attention to.

I wish my town would ban clothes too! Unfortunately people in the U.S. are too prudish.