[QUOTE=What the … !!!]
You must have missed it … white people are presumed to be racist; black people cannot be racist.
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I’ve heard people argue this in all earnestness.
ETA: Actually, in all vehemence might be a more accurate modifier.
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting]
Given Jackson’s demeanor during the exchange and extreme efforts at re-spinning what he said, I think the more likely scenario is that Fox deliberately left the mike on to see if they could catch something that they could make hay with and use to create a few days’ worth of headlines.
This seems especially true because of the way they released part of it, teased us with the rest and then somehow the true transcript of what was said got leaked.
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5-4, I know you lean way left and hate Fox, but you are now blaming Fox for this, and letting Jesse off the hook? That is some quality spin!
And even if it’s true, which is a ridiculous assertions without some proof, Jackson still said it.
[QUOTE=What the … !!!]
How black do you have to be? Is it ok for Obama to say it? Could I get a pass too if I could prove a drop of black blood?
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Let’s just say if you’re black enough to get pulled over for a DWB, you can say it.
Why do you care, about this double standard? Do you really want to be able to say the N-word? Does it really make your heart break for black people when Chris Rock says it?
It’s always such bullshit when white people whine about this.
[QUOTE=What the … !!!]
You must have missed it … white people are presumed to be racist; black people cannot be racist.
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No one in this thread has said that. What I’ve said is that it’s not racist for black people to use the N-word.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
Let’s just say if you’re black enough to get pulled over for a DWB, you can say it.
Why do you care, about this double standard? Do you really want to be able to say the N-word? Does it really make your heart break for black people when Chris Rock says it?
It’s always such bullshit when white people whine about this.
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Don’t worry…I still use it whenever it seems appropriate to me.
What I really want is for those who like to speak for black people to quit wanting it both ways.
Suck it up and really want total equality… or not.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
Do you really want to be able to say the N-word?
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I dunno about him, but I certainly want to be able to say “nigger” or anything else that comes to mind. I have no illusion that I can say anything I want without repercussion, but I don’t recognize that a dislike for prior restraint proves racism.
[QUOTE=What the … !!!]
Don’t worry…I still use it whenever it seems appropriate to me.
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I have no doubt.
Who’s trying to speak for black people?
What the fuck does equality have to do with it?
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
Who’s trying to speak for black people?
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I suspect he meant Jesse Jackson.
Yeah, I’m stumped on that one too.
I like the way you put this. I’m not going to worry much about it until racism is eliminated, but I’d like to be able to say “Nigga please!” once in a while without fearing for my life/job/reputation.
[QUOTE=Marley23]
but I’d like to be able to say “Nigga please!” once in a while
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[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
Let’s just say if you’re black enough to get pulled over for a DWB, you can say it.
Why do you care, about this double standard? Do you really want to be able to say the N-word? Does it really make your heart break for black people when Chris Rock says it?
It’s always such bullshit when white people whine about this.
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White people are “whining” over this because you are making up arbitrary rules about we can and cannot say without being labeled a racist. Stop generalizing and we’ll stop “whining”.
[QUOTE=Koxinga]
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It’s a quote from the bad movie I linked to, but I probably should’ve linked to IMDB’s quotes page instead. I think Wu Tang clan made that line - and another line about the villain, Sho’Nuff - into something of a catchphrase for a while.
[QUOTE=John Mace]
White people are “whining” over this because you are making up arbitrary rules about we can and cannot say without being labeled a racist. Stop generalizing and we’ll stop “whining”.
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I’m not making rules, I’m making an observation about how things actually are. You’re the one who wants to impose rules.
[QUOTE=Frylock]
I think this is about right. I read Jackson’s statement not so much as using the word Nigger to denote black people, but rather reading the concept of “Nigger” into Obama’s sentiments. In other words, Jackson is saying that Obama is showing that he regards the black community as worthy of the epithet “nigger.”
Like if I said to a black person, “Oh, I guess you’re going to show the cracker how it’s done?” (Where “the cracker” refers to me.) I’m not using the term “cracker” to disparage white people, but rather, I am ascribing to the black person I’m talking to the sentiment that leads to the use of the term “cracker.”
-FrL-
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I think this is exactly right. And, in the way I’m interpreting it, it doesn’t matter that they are both black, because I think part of Jackson’s implication is that Obama is not quite Black…or that he’s “not Black” enough to think he’s better than or holds himself above Blacks as a group.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
I’m not making rules, I’m making an observation about how things actually are. You’re the one who wants to impose rules.
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Please let us know your first reaction to someone who posts the following on a message board:
[QUOTE=random person]
Hi Diogenes, what’s up nigger?
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What’s the correct rule?
According to your worldview, which of the following is the most correct reaction? :o :dubious: :eek: :mad: 
:rolleyes: 
Assume if you ask the person’s race, they respond with “I am of the race that I believe is appropriate for me to use the n-word”.
[QUOTE=The Controvert]
Please let us know your first reaction to someone who posts the following on a message board:What’s the correct rule?
According to your worldview, which of the following is the most correct reaction? :o :dubious: :eek: :mad: :rolleyes:
Assume if you ask the person’s race, they respond with “I am of the race that I believe is appropriate for me to use the n-word”.
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I wouldn’t care at all. Why should I?
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers]
Barring a statement from a Fox employee to that effect, I call bullshit. I’ve done wiring jobs with microphones and it’s always easier to leave the mike on (and turned down) than risk shutting it off and not being able (for some pain-in-the-ass reason) to get it started again. Also, you don’t want the guy giving the presentation to start talking into a dead mike when you’re not watching, because he’ll start fucking around with it, trying to make it work, and screwing it up in the process.
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You’ve heard of a mute button, right? Most sophisticated audio systems have them. Even people who talk through live mikes all the time for a living and take commercial breaks have been known to say things that got recorded or went out untintentionally. It’s really not that farfetched if you try hard and think about it.
A host or sound person not using the available features on sophisticated audio/recording equipment because one might not be able to turn it back on or one fears the novice guest might mess with the equipment sounds more clearly like bullshit to me.
[QUOTE=spifflog]
5-4, I know you lean way left and hate Fox, but you are now blaming Fox for this, and letting Jesse off the hook? That is some quality spin!
And even if it’s true, which is a ridiculous assertions without some proof, Jackson still said it.
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Re-read my post, you’re putting words in my mouth.
Yes, Jackson did say it. And the words he said were awful and should never have been uttered, even if he thought he wouldn’t be heard. If you read my post, I even expressed that given his emotion, there might have been some feeling which he could have expressed directly to Obama, as the speech rankled him so.
And, if you actually read my post, you’ll see that I have agreed Jackson has said some pretty out-there things in the past just to capture headlines and grab attention, I just don’t believe this is one of them. I actually lost respect for Jackson a long time ago.
Can you explain why they played this out as I described? I do believe Fox left the mike on and I blame them for that. I don’t blame them for Jackson’s words. He deserves full blame for those.
Read my previous post – the full post.
[QUOTE=Marley23]
“Nigga please!” once in a while without fearing for my life/job/reputation.
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I’ve heard lots of white people say, “Nigga Please”, in the presence of black people no less generally with no greater repercussion than a raised eyebrow saying, ‘Oh boy there’s another white boy trying to act black.’ or ‘Nigga please’ for short. I really don’t think it’s as big a deal as many people think it is.
[QUOTE=5-4-Fighting]
Even people who talk through live mikes all the time for a living and take commercial breaks have been known to say things that got recorded or went out untintentionally.
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And this time, it was Jackson.
Well, I’ve been a sound person, and the rule was once everything was set up and tested, screw with it as little as possible because every adjustment you make increases the chance of something going wrong. You want to assert Fox left a hot mike for the purpose of catching Jackson saying something embarrassing, prove it.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
I’m not making rules, I’m making an observation about how things actually are. You’re the one who wants to impose rules.
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I think most people are aware if what someone is saying is racist. As I pointed out above I’ve heard plenty of white people say, “nigga please”, with no repercussions. I hear white people say, “My nigga”, to their black or white friends. I wouldn’t say it, not because I’m afraid of appearing racist, but because it just doesn’t sound right coming from my mouth. I think the only people who really care about this are over 30 white dudes who are mildly socially awkward.