Tomorrow we’ll get to see how former Cardinal Jeff Suppan does against former-if-C.-Montgomery-Burns-and-others-had-their-way Cardinal Todd Wellemeyer.
JP Riccardi preppingRoy Halladay for a trade?
Not if he took care of himself instead of lounging by the pool etc. You can work your body just as hard off the field as on it - if you want to, and if you take your importance to the team seriously. He obviously didn’t.
You really don’t think he had to go anyway? That would have put you in a tiny minority here. And now LA is getting a big bite of it too. Perhaps it’s time to consider why that is.
Sports are *only *about the numbers for you, are they? Sad.
Looks that way. As the Boston media points out, he’s into Year 8 of his rebuilding plan for the Jays. By the time they get competitive again, Doc will be long gone (and JP will have to be long gone too).
If they go for the best load of prospects in return, great news for Boston (Thanks for all your work, Clay Buchholz and Michael Bowden, and good luck up there). If it’s the money, better he stay there than go to New York, but a deal to the NL would be fine too.
Wow, the Cards won another game – 5-0 at Milwaukee – without Pujols getting an RBI. Maybe, just maybe, the rest of the team is coming around. Ludwick has had a couple of good games, which is very encouraging. And Rasmus has been pretty hot lately. It would be nice to roll into the All-Star break a few games out ahead
Bayard, let’s hope so. I don’t see us beating Suppan with Wellemeyer, I think his last outing was a fluke and Suppan always seems to bring his A game against us. I’d be happy with a series win over the Brewers and a split with the Cubs before the break.
Oh and DeRosa is on the 15 day disabled list.
[url=http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2009/07/sox_jays_an_unl.html]“A baseball source” downplays the notion of a Halladay-to-Boston deal. So bet on it happening. 
A deal to Boston just for young pitchers isn’t going to happen; Toronto has lots of young pitchers. Boston would have to throw in Lars Andersen as well and I don’t know that they want to give away their only remaining near-to-the-majors hitting prospect. That’s a hefty price for someone they don’t need right away. Boston’s the best team in baseball and have a good rotation; they could always get him in 2011 for money if Toronto doesn’t want to keep him. Maybe there would be some immediacy if their rotation was in bad shape, but it’s not.
If, God forbid, Halladay is traded, look for it to be to the Cubs or Tigers. Possibly also St. Louis, who have the young hitters at the right positions to make a deal possible and could use a top pitcher. The Jays covet Brett Wallace.
Seattle is also a possibility. They still have the money.
Yes, and for a not really good team, playing on one pitcher (Gallardo) and a crapload of good young hitters (Braun, Prince, etc.), and an above average bullpen (Hoffman, Mitch Stetter[look him up, trust me]), this is very scary.
I’m always impressed by your intimate knowledge of exactly what is going through the head of baseball players you have never met. With your telepathic abilities in the area of baseball, you could have made a fortune as an agent or a manager.
It probably was a good time for Manny to leave Boston. But your argument was that he “isn’t worth it,” and the fact is that, for a long time in Boston, he really was worth it.
Sports debates are only about misrepresenting other people’s arguments for you, are they? Sad.
How about the Rangers? Not sure they want to spend any money with Hicks’ financial problems. But, they have tons of young talent and a top pitcher could help them win the division.
Interesting. The talk in the St. Louis sports media (at least that small portion of it that I pay attention to) has mostly been about the Cards looking for another bat. Local sportswriter Bernie Miklasz argues that a deal to the Cards is unlikely. And the economics of it look kind of worrisome, especially with the team trying to figure out how to keep both Carpenter and Pujols when their contracts are up in a couple of years. But still, a man can dream. Carpenter and Halladay in the same rotation? Great googily-moogily.
Lars is struggling at AA ball right now, and he may get it together or me may not. But it’s still easier to get a bigtime hitter than a bigtime pitcher through free agency, so don’t discount it. And if the Jays think they have enough pitching, they need to think again. Nobody does.
So call Boston fans greedy. Smoltz is old and shaky, Wakefield is old, Penny is instill a medical question mark, who knows about Matsuzaka, Buchholz has mental toughness issues, Bowden is still working on his slider … I’d give any two of them for Halladay. A postseason rotation with him, Beckett, and Lester for years to come would be unstoppable. As for immediacy concerns, there is also immediacy in keeping him out of pinstripes.
Seriously, what good is he doing for you? The Jays are not contenders, and he’ll be long gone before they are. Getting several top prospects cheaply instead might make the team better a lot faster. Just look at the Marlins to see how it can be done. But your biggest problem is still the front office. JP has to go or nothing is going to get better.
:rolleyes: The evidence is right there on the field. Or not, in this case.
But do you disagree that it was necessary? That was the question.
The only support you’re offering for your views is numerical. What else can one conclude?
For only the second time in 20 years, a pitcher won a game without throwing a pitch. Alan Embree came on in relief and picked off Austin Kearns at first for the third out of the eighth inning. The Rockies scored the eventual winning run in the bottom of the eighth and Huston Street came in to close out the game in the ninth.
Another thing I’d never seen before - second baseman Willie Harris of the Nationals misplayed a seemingly routine grond ball and it hit him squarely in the nads and he collapsed in a heap on the infield dirt. The error led to two unearned runs for the Rockies.
Always remember to wear your cups, boys. :eek:
Embree was washed up in Boston 5 years ago. Lefty relievers are always in demand somewhere anyway, apparently.
Surely Rasmus has to be in the list, no? In fact, right now he’s probably ahead of all of those guys (unless Hanson continues to be this good all season).
The idea in sports is to win games. Halladay helps win games. You can’t simply surrender and go from being a 56-106 team to the World Series in one year. Halladay is a superpitcher who certainly CAN be a contributor to their next champion, and there’s value in being a bit over .500 (As they are with him) versus being a bit under it (as they would be without.)
The Jays could quite easily win in 2011 with the right moves. Halladay is as likely to be a top flight starter in 2011 as anyone. Extending him would make sense, if…
Well, that’s unquestionably the FIRST step.
Look, every player has a price. Many teams have a package of prospects I’d happily see Halladay traded for. But can J.P. Ricciardi extract that price? I don’t think so. Truth be told, one of the reasons I don’t want Halladay traded is simple; I don’t think Ricciardi can get good value for him. Halladay, at least, is guaranteed awesome; anything Ricciardi gets in trade is a likely disappointment or won’t fit the team’s needs. I don’t think he’s savvy or disciplined enough to work the market and get the maximum possible return. He’ll get ripped off, you’ll see.
When has Ricciardi ever pulled a really snazzy trade? None jump to mind. I guess we got a good year out of Eric Hinske. When has a GM ever kept his job for so long with such mediocre results?
Yeah - that was kind of off the top of my head. I think I’d probably pull Fox down the list, push Rasmus up there, and put Zimmermann on the list as well. (Man - Pablo had just 4 walks last year. That’s gotta hurt, knowing that bringing his rate up to even a “just terrible” level (rather that the “atrocious” he was at) would have made him eligible this year.)
Interesting ESPN article regarding Halladay’s value.