Bathroom Supreme and Why I Dislike The Rich.

I’m not going to noodge, yeah I’m envious of the rich, especially since while they were slaving at a ‘hot’ desk and pinching secretaries asses, I was shoveling dirt in deep holes, lifting thousands of pounds of stinky mulch from cargo containers that were around 110 degrees inside and filled with cooking cypress stink and dust, working 10 and 12 hour days with no overtime (managers did not make overtime), delivering papers in the worst weather of the years, saying 'yes sir and yes ma’am to petty tyrants, kissing customers asses to have them buy suits and chasing shoplifters across parking lots, being lowered into narrow sump manholes on a chain to fix the pump in stinking water and low light, climbing ladders to pound in nails on some guys $200,000 house in 90 degree heat and 74% humidity, driving fork lifts in the rain, handling the problems of morons at a desk, night patrolling a building to check for damage while the neighborhood erupted in New years Eve gunfire and my staff cowered in the windowless sections, chasing escapees on foot through high crime minority areas, and all in all, at the most making $24,000 a year back then.

Then I run into folks with more money than they can possibly piss away while I help evicted friends move from their houses, drive by homeless camps, get to watch people digging for food in dumpsters, watch friends working three jobs and into exhaustion just to pay the rent and power bill and know of acquaintances who steal food to feed their familles with or both parents working 50 hour weeks to pay the day care center and put money on the side to try to rent a new home in a low crime area while driving cars that should be junked but they cannot afford to get them fixed or buy new ones.

I’ve watched good people go bad because they cannot make enough money to keep their kids well clothed and fed, and have given thousands of dollars away to companions who needed it for food, rent, medical assistance or bill because I make more than they do.

Then I get to go into a house where some rich bastard spent $200,000 on a shitter! His hands are soft, his complexion comes from sun lamps at the spa, and he got into his business through his daddy and climbed the ladder by slitting the throats of his companions at work. He’s got the best of insurance, the best of doctors, and can afford Viagra and other expensive medications and I’ve had to drive friends to different emergency rooms because some hospitals will not take them without insurance and took others to Public Health departments to wait among a stinking, rude, crude, bitchy crowd of the working poor for haphazard treatment.

My town has a great series of luxury communities and as each new one goes in, the rents on roach infested, rundown homes and apartments go up because there is no rent control here and you wait a year to even be selected to be considered for possible housing assistance by the State.

In the 70s, when the gas crunch hit, common folk were in block long lines to get gas, hoping the stations would not run dry, but these rich fuckers showed up in enormous, gas guzzling trucks towing ocean liners and pumped 100 to 150 gallons of precious gas into the tanks so they could go fart around on the water for the day. Behind them, folks like me were digging into the rent money to fill up the tanks in order to go to work and often, after sitting for half an hour, watched the station close because it was pumped dry before we got up there.

It was kind of funny because we have a section for the Rich-Rich in town, and one of the US’s greatest religious leaders had an exclusive home right next to it. Billy Graham. Big money for that place and the security! He certainly was not ‘giving until it hurt.’

When beef prices soared, and everyone was getting screwed by the meat sellers, the rich were in stores buying prime cuts of the most expensive beef while the rest of us bought fatty hamburger and crappy stew meat. Then they went to the local butcher and bought his finest cuts and drove happily past floundering soup kitchens and homeless shelters without a care.

Whew! I better shut up. Too much vitriol here. Me and my close friends are average people yet we give much more of our income to local charities percentage wise than the wealthy do because we’ve been there, done that, got out and feel we have a duty to the less well off.

Ya know, I know a disabled girl that raids dumpsters and when she strikes a big haul of bruised vegetables, bread and unsoiled pastries, she shares this bounty with friends of hers who are even worse off. She cooks on a cheap BBQ grill outside of her home because firewood is free and gas for her stove is expensive and has run out.

Then there’s this rich-rich lady who, every Halloween, spends 3 or $4000 having her house painted Orange and a few grand more on decorations to impress the folks in her gated community and afterwards, $3 or $4000 having it stripped and repainted back. Pocket change to her. I know of no charities locally which have her as a donor.

Think I’m being too bitter? Drive on down to your local Public Health and stop in to look, then check out your homeless shelters and soup kitchens. Check out any large patch of woods behind any stores in shopping plaza’s in your community and see who lives there or go out early in the morning and drive by the dumpsters of grocery stores. Check out your local Salvation Army shelters.

Better still, locate the busiest hospital in your city and it will probably be the one which takes in anyone from the street, insurance or not, and will probably be somewhat rundown and under funded in comparison to the others. Don’t go into the ER because you might have to sit there for 5 or 6 hours to get treatment because they are busy and unless you’re dying in your chair, you have to wait.

Yeah. I suppose I have just a little problem with the Rich.

I feel bathroom envy from time to time. I bought a house where most of the rooms are generously sized, including the second bathroom – but the master bath is teeny tiny; a shower and toilet only, with the sinks right out there in the bedroom, like a Motel 6. In a few weeks, walls will move, and a real bathroom will go in its place. It’ll take months, though, because I’m doing my own subcontracting, and most of the tile, electrical and finish work.

Still, that’s the price I pay for saving a bunch of money and buying an older house (by Florida standards, at least – it was built in 1987) in a tree-filled neighborhood. scredle is right – new houses have more elaborate and larger bathrooms. My parents live in a very large house that was considered upmarket when it was built in 1967 – they’ve got a whopping bath and a half for 3,000 square feet of living area. A few days ago, I saw a new, middle market home, that had two bathrooms off the master bedroom – one with a huge shower, the other with a shower and garden tub. His and hers bathrooms in a US$160,000 house. Unbelievable. One of the new Habitat for Humanity houses that was recently completed not too far from there has two full bathrooms.

More so than bathroom envy, though, I’ve been experiencing vaulted ceiling envy. I must have the only house in suburban Orlando that doesn’t have vaulted or high ceilings.

<<Yeah. I suppose I have just a little problem with the Rich.>>

I think the Rich are the least of your problems. I think that your biggest problem is you. Or more precisely, the jealousy by which you have allowed yourself to be consumed.

You work hard for your money, sure. So do a lot of the rich. And just because you work in an air conditioned environment doesn’t mean you don’t work hard.

I’ve been an infantry grunt and a schoolteacher in an air conditioned band room, and I’m here to tell you, I worked harder as a schoolteacher than just about anything else I’ve ever done.

Who are you–rich beyond the dreams of avarice compared to much of the world’s population–to sit in judgement over someone else because he’s got a bigger house than you do?

Can you withstand the same kind of scrutiny from a ditchdigger in Calcutta? No. Because that kind of scrutiny is grossly unfair.

You don’t know the man. You only know his bathroom.

Take a chill pill. Read “The Millionaire Next Door.” Then call the guy up, invite him to lunch (YOU pick up the tab) and ask him what he does and what he knows, and what advice he might give you re: the building and creating of wealth.

Turn off that bitterness and you just might learn something.

Mmmm I love high ceilings. My friend’s bedroom ceiling is so high that she has a rockclimbing wall! :eek:

J248974, while it would be nice if every squillionaire donated money to charity, it certainly shouldn’t be mandatory (which seems to be where your argument is going). It’s their money - whether they, or ‘daddy’ earned it - and they can do whatever they want with it.

J248974-
This is just ridiculous. At first, you assert that the rich are somehow immoral and evil, then you contradict yourself by saying that you’ve seen good people go bad because they didnt make enough money? So now somehow lack of social character is justified in those who dont think they have enough money?
In that case, the rich should all be saints in your mind-
right?-because they have plenty of money to keep them “honest.” Never have I heard such a juvenile, poorly thought out justification, which is actually just based on your petty jealousy.
I think Sailor said it best, along with several others to whom credit should be given, but I am too irritated right now to go back and find the posts. Specifically re-check
the post about how to some guy in Calcutta, YOU are the problem. It’s all relative, and why the hell should it not
be? If you don’t like it, again, please move to a communist
country, or someplace where individuality is squelched so
that poor pitiful j24- doesn’t get his feathers ruffled.
If you honestly think you have sunk to the bottom and been left behind, it could be all the fault of some rich guy
who was born into a wealthy family, or it could be just a teeny bit your attitude, hmmm…?
By the way, you have internet hookup out in that stinking
90 degree workplace, do you? Or are you somewhere sitting
on your butt, screwing around on a PC when you could be spending time raising a wall for those around you that
suffer so much?
Is your reaction to some of my statements incredulity and anger that I would dare to judge you? That I dont know your
whole situation? That you deserve this time to putz around
on the SDMB, because you work very hard, without my criticism?
Hmmm.
Better think about that.
Might show you something about not judging others.

ps-Geez. I sound like such a bitch, like this
is a personal attack. it shoudlnt be, and I’m sorry if I went overboard. Like you, I’m just expressing my feelings, maybe not too fairly or appropriately. Again, though, it proves my point. We are individuals, entitled to our behaviors and opinions as long as we dont break the laws.
I dont begrudge anyone that. Dont see why you should.

If I were to win the lottery next week and became an instant bazillionare, I could never see myself yearning for a super-glorious bathroom like the one described in the OP.

Why? What would be the point? We’re talking about a room designed to accomodate a few basic human functions – you’ve got a place to sit, proper plumbing and ventilation, maybe a nice tub for two people to lie in … what’s the point in going overboard with the excess? Sure, I can see the desire for a grand living room and a nifty den, but overdoing the bathroom is just gratuitous.

I think that might be what J248974 is railing against – not that the rich have lots of money, or that they go for conspicuous consumption, but applying it to the bathroom as he described is simply overkill. It appears to be spending money just for the sake of spending money, and that does strike me as odd.

Then again, if I did win the lottery, I’d probably put most of it where people can’t see it, so folks won’t know I’m a prime target for muggers and blackmailers… :slight_smile:

Sorry, but that’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.

Unfortunately, because of my town, I’ve had to work and live around these people for a good portion of my life and I don’t figure they have done us a whole lot of good, though the city fathers, city leaders, main bankers, relators and top end businessmen will disagree.

Every time they poke in another gated community on what used to be productive Orange Grove land, the land values jump up another few points and so do local taxes. They’ve crowded the beaches so much that you no longer go there to be alone and enjoy the tropical view and the once great stretches of wild shore lands and plenty of parking are now under condos, exclusively wealthy homes, hotels, and areas where the houses start at one million, and those are considered ‘low end’ houses. You have to fight to find a place to park to get to the beach aside from the very few limited spaces now and if you drive there at night with less than a new car, one with some age on it, you’ll be stopped and checked by the cops. No more sleeping on the beach to greet the sun, no more beach parties like in the 60s, no more BBQs on the sands, no more camping on the beach and if you want to wander it at night, the cops will say hello and ask why. No more pets on the beach either. In some areas, no more real beach, because they got the zoning laws changed to put in great, ugly sea walls because they built on the oceans edge and formed an artificial cliff.

What forms at the bottom of a cliff? No beach!

There are no industries allowed here because they want the city to remain quaint so we only have two small ones. Most businesses are service related, like Walmart, or construction or construction and land related like mortgage companies, architects, designers, landscaping, lawn mowing, loan companies and importation of luxury goods. Most average folks here work for minimum wages or a little above. The primary industry in town right now is land clearing and the building of gated communities.

During the last cold winter, when it was really cold, the main gas delivery company sent its trucks to the wealthy areas to fill their tanks first for home and pool heaters, leaving several hundred people without gas for the first day or having to economize severely to make what they had in their tanks last. (The coldest weather hit us unexpectedly, so very few people had their tanks topped off and ready.)

Just like during the 70s fuel shortage, the rich got theirs first and screw everyone else.

In our last drought, everyone was economizing on water, restrictions were in effect, they were even thinking of raising the rates, but across town, every swimming pool the rich owned was topped off with precious water, their lawns were emerald green while most of ours were brown and their golf courses were pristine, while others were turning into dust bowls. See, they happily paid the fines and increased costs, but that vast consumption drew the levels in the city wells down even more and forced the rest of us into even more restrictions. Even the county was using salvage water to keep the city parks and all alive, but the rich would have no part of such cheap and available water for their lawns or courses.

It’s water from the sewage plant, safe for irrigation but not for drinking and it looks just fine and does not smell. You don’t get sick from walking through it or getting some splashed on you.

I come from the school of hard knocks and no one handed me anything and while I am sure that there are some nice rich, I have heard of a few who donate millions to charity and a few who will give money to people who are desperate, the ones I have associated with live in an entirely different world from the rest of us.

Our local homeless shelter gets no funding from the city, just private donations and donations from other charitable organizations and, well, it needs a lot of work. It is in an old building in a seedy side of town. The wealthy decided they needed a park on the beach side for culture. The city magically gave them a huge tract of land. Then the rich contributed to the building of a great, live theater, followed by a modest Museum of Modern Art, followed by an exercise trail and tennis courts. In putting in the latter, they back filled the biggest and best oyster beds in the city where Joe’s like me went and gathered delicious Oysters for free by the bucket full.

However, not one dime went to the staggering homeless shelter.

BTW, here, if you are homeless, you can survive by going to the great lagoon or the beaches and catch crabs, fish, get oysters and clams. Well, until they built over the good fishing spots, started chasing away anyone looking seedy and polluted great stretches of river by installing illegal out-falls in their septic tanks. (The ground water near the sea is high so septic tanks during our rainy season there, unless extensively installed, will back fill. To stop this, many rich folk illegally had a few septic companies install gravity drains that opened into the river. When it really rains and their tanks fill to a certain point, raw sewage flows into the river and infects the shellfish with bacteria.)

That went on for years until enough people got sick and the pollution increased so much and we got some new city council members who located the drains and forced them to be sealed up. See, the river is actually a sluggish lagoon, a huge one, with few currents so the crap went in it and stayed for days and weeks within the area before eventually being flushed to the next city, making them sick and then through an inlet and out to sea.

There were areas where squatters had lived for years in the mangrove swamps along with some homeless and we did not care, but the rich did and they bought the lands, removed these people and put in luxury golf courses and homes. The Mangroves are protected by law, but they ‘accidentally’ plowed them down, paid the fines and landscaped the area, then replanted Mangroves someplace else on city swamp land. The nasty mangroves did not fit in with their plans.

We outlawed the pretty Oleander Bush in the county decades ago because it is so deadly. The sap is poison, the pastel flowers are poison and burning it produces poison smoke. You cannot even turn it into mulch to put around vegetable plants because the mulch is poison!

The Really Rich decided that the beautiful pastel hues of the plant is just right for them and they got the local laws changed. Now the deadly Oleander is all over the town. We never even knew there was a motion to void the old law! It was done quietly and quickly and each effort to reinstate it is turned down.

I can go on and on about the destruction of my city by the rich, but why bother? Most of you would not believe it, many would say it is progress and a few would say it is the right of the rich to do what they wish.

That’s fine.

Oh yeah. See, when I find places with like a $200,000 bathroom that expresses obvious or conspicuious and unnecessary consumption, I tend to think about all of those folks I know just barely hanging on, the budget cuts to social services, budget cuts in the mental health hospitals, the raising rents and food prices and the really out of hand cost of health care.

These things do not concern most of the rich because they can afford it all.