No, “guaranteed” multi-year scholarships weren’t allowed until recently. However, it wa extremely rare, if not totally unheard of, for schools to cut athletes because of performance issues. Until recently.
See Human Action’s post above. I’m not arguing because you’re literally throwing things at the wall to see what sticks.
Wow, that’s a substantially different response than the one you initially put up.
There aren’t many major schools in the southeast that aren’t getting better as the population increases. I’m not sure how this is supposed to be a defense of a guy who cuts his players as though he were running an NFL team.
So you’re angry that athletes are being held to a high standard in accordance with the entire reason that they’re receiving a scholarship?
Look, I’ll tell you something I don’t talk about very much: my first year of college, I made almost no friends, became incredibly depressed, let my grades slip, and lost my scholarship. Yes, it sucked. Yes, I was angry for a while. I missed the minimum GPA by two hundredths of a percent. But it was an academic scholarship. It came with requirements and conditions. Why should athletes be any different?
It may be a different aspect of the argument, but it’s not contradictory.
What a load of shit. My criticisms of Alabama and Nick Saban have been consistent throughout this thread. You just can’t think of a good reason why your team is one of the only programs in the country that finds these actions acceptable.
Hell, not just acceptable, but the proper thing to do, really. Why do athletes get an exception when it comes to scholarships?
Why do you think 99.9% of all Universities in the US disagree with this philosophy? Rather than embrace Saban’s philosophy, it has been almost universally condemned.
Because NCAA regulations make it extremely difficult for an athlete to succeed after leaving his initial school. This is particularly true for football players. That is why the practice will soon become very difficult to implement effectively.
Probably because they want their athletes to be able to slide through without very much academic oversight. That is not happening at Alabama. From everything I’ve heard and read, Saban’s academic standards are as high as his athletic standards. The football players are not allowed to skip classes or get low grades. He’s put an enormous tutoring infrastructure in place to make sure that they actually do their collegiate work as well.
It was pretty difficult for me to succeed after losing my scholarship. Took me about 8 years of working and attending night classes to finish. Just sayin’.
Are you fucking kidding me? Alabama is the light in the wilderness? What a fucking joke. They cut players because they want to make room for better players, not for academic reasons. Try again.
Academic failures have always been denied the opportunity to play sports. Your response literally makes no sense.
For what little it’s worth I want to point out I specifically didn’t go for all these potshots about the South.
And Saban is a complete sleeze, but find me a major college football coach who isn’t. A couple of months ago Bret Bielema was complaining about SEC recruit-poaching and then Arkansas offered him a fat salary and guess what happened. And pretty much all the schools want to have the ability to treat their athletes like property- it’s in their financial best interest to do so: they want to be able to recruit more players than they need, keep the competition as fierce as possible, get rid of players they don’t want (because the old coach liked them and the new one doesn’t, for example) and maintain as much power as they can in that relationship. That’s not specific to Saban, who may or may not be more skilled at manipulating this system - I have no idea and Lane Kiffin is always breaking new (un)ethical ground in this regard - but it is a profoundly crappy system.
It’s not an either/or situation.
The players that Saban cut to make room for more players on his roster were not academic casualties. That is a fact. Try again.
If you read the NCAA statement I linked to, you’ll see that:
62.5% of Division I schools voted not to allow multiyear scholarships. Are you certain that 99.9% of schools want to ensure all their players get four-year scholarships?
Noted, at least by me, and appreciated.
This hits the mark. The things Labrador Deceiver is complaining about are problems with Division I football and the NCAA, not Alabama or the SEC.
The reasons for opposing guaranteed 4-year scholarships are more complicated than “We want to be able to cut our players.” You can still do that, even if other schools don’t want to. For now.
I didn’t say it was an SEC problem. It’s an Alabama problem.
Just so we can be on the same page, which players specifically are you talking about? You may have more valid information than I do.
I doubt you have any information, quite frankly.
I’ll post the names when I get time. Should take about 10 minutes.
Glenn Harbin
Demetrius Goode
Petey Smith
Brandon Moore
Corey Grant
Keiwone Malone
Robby Green
Darrington Sentimore
Kerry Murphy
Kendall Kelly
Wes Neighbors
Terry Grant
Travis Sikes
Rod Woodson
Star Jackson
Taylor Pharr
Milton Talbert
Darius McKeller
Ronnie Carswell
Wilson Love
The scholarship limit at any given time is 85. Alabama has signed 138 players in the past 5 years. That’s the equivalent of one extra recruiting class. That’s insane.