A little…not much…'cause, yes, it’s “broadly” speaking and I was asking about the minimum you could stand.
I don’t know what’s the “historical average” but let’s say that all candidates have only been able to fulfill three issues (as opposed to a slew of compromised half-victories)…which three must you absolutely have??
And as specific as possible, please (I know you may not wish for an extended dive into these things; that’s okay, of course) – for example, “not hate” obviously means different things to different people. What would that mean to you (if that’s one of your must-have three issues/characteristics/outcomes/policies)??
Thanks very much for the reminder. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt but certainly at some point further correspondence is even more counter-productive than before.
Hey, I’ve helped run a business before that took me inside some fabulous residences, folks who own a helicopter, these kinds of people…and you know what? They all suck. Rich, poor, middle-class, whatever…we’ve had priests and nuns try ripping us off – I had to go to court against a union shop steward and Democrat wannabe politician (he lost) for unpaid wages (I won)…
And honestly, none of these people are nice. They may smile, they may this or that but they’re full of shit. They got pictures with Hillary, or the local Republican honcho, or both…it doesn’t matter. They are rude, cheap, try to cheat you, make shit up…one was paying $19K/mo. in rent (and that’s cheap for my town) but accused us of “cheating” her when she simply found another company with lower prices – the same one who shared her busines tax deduction strategies unsolicited with me…
So that’s all by way of saying, I wouldn’t be surprised if Bernie’s cranky. But not to the point of throwing binders at people, hitting them, like Amy what’s-her-face.
And that’s just one story in all these years, and long ago too from when he was first running…so while I wouldn’t be surprised, knowing what I know about human nature no matter their politics, I can’t – and really, no one else has – put any credence into it.
Okay; what do you think is missing? What’s the complexity he’s missing?
Yeah but this is everyone!
No one knows how to deal with Trump…even Trump doesn’t know how to deal with Trump!!
And frankly, I think so many people hate Trump because they’re jealous…he gets to troll on national TV and be rewarded with the Presidency while they remain internet tough guys and internet saints (a genuine normie does not post online; we’re “special” no matter how much we wanna act like we’re the good normal folks).
As George Bernard Shaw observed, all progress is made by the unreasonable man.
I can’t fault any for being “polarizing.” Heck, it’s the very motivation for our free speech rights!
I’m not sure what you mean by “build for the future” but he seems like he’s secured quite a political legacy.
Jiu-jitsu is yet another skill that can be practiced on medium-sized message boards. Success will vary, of course.
More generally:
In a longish opinion piece published today on the CNN site, a major problem Sanders has yet to solve is identified:
Sanders can’t be anything more than a spoiler if he can’t convince large numbers of people of color that he is the best candidate for them. A relative handful of millennials won’t be enough.
And the problem won’t be solved by helpful IRA operatives starting innumerable “[candidate other than Sanders] doesn’t care about black people” memes. Counter-operatives have caught on to this tactic. It won’t work as well as it did in 2016.
I have long been a fan of both Harris and Brown as different paths to similar ends.
Minimum is anyone not Trump. Even a Republican (but that at more judiciary harms). Sanders is my minimum I guess. Well maybe Yang under him.
I also know lots of bosses. Not all are assholes. Actually most treat their employees pretty well. (And btw there is no accusation that Klobuchar threw a binder AT someone. The accusation is that she threw it in a fit of temper and it hit someone inadvertently. I don’t think either should get a bye for this sort of behavior.) Good bosses usually get better results. Not always to be sure.
Sanders, IMHO, misses, well *all *of the complexity about pretty much everything. We’d need a separate thread on each issue and it is not worth it.
Shaw was wrong. Progress is made by not by unreasonably tilting at windmills but by picking tractable problems and bringing to bear solutions that are possible. Unreasonable pontification can be great for virtue signaling but it gets little accomplished.
Building for the future is helping those down ticket races in states you lose, moving the needle for the party in states that currently lean Red ever more Blueward, helping to develop the party infrastructure in those areas too.
Yeah, but honestly anyone not black has this problem…I’m curious, please: what do black folks want?? Do you know???
I see reparations – which is a total non-starter…are they just trolling for the best deal they can get, starting high as possible and see what they wind up with from the candidates??
Yeah they want “respect” and “empowerment” and “racial justice” and all that other crap but honestly – like what, tangibly, do they want in terms of laws and policies??
I’m genuinely puzzled. I actually don’t know politics (sure I have opinions but I wouldn’t claim to know in the sense that now I can work as an operative or teach it in class) – it sounds like y’all have been following many an election for many a moon! How would you advise anyone to appeal to blacks?*
Much obliged!
I’m serious. I know someone’s probably gonna quip “well to start don’t say ‘what do blacks want’” or something like that…but I’m serious. Like, is it a certain number of affirmative action hires? Harriet Tubman on the $20 Bill??? (I actually support that!) What???
Ah, so you’re one of 'em dreaded centrists!! No wonder!!!
LOL…it’s just as the psychology articles say: people’s political preferences correlate very faithfully with their personalities. End of story: “The rest is commentary,” as the Talmud says! (I read that somewhere – though not in any Talmud.)
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I also know lots of bosses. Not all are assholes.
“Power corrupts…” and all that.
It’d happen to me, too. Everyone.
I’m for that socialist/commie/whatever plan to democratize all companies – all companies are by definition employee-owned. And I mean directly, one-hundred-percently employee-owned – not “owned by the state on behalf of the proletariat.”
But that’s from another world, in a time to come, some Star Trek future of plenty…
Well, is it possible to give me a really strong sense somehow??
Like, does he miss because he’s too sour, or too sweet, or too savory, or too sour, or too bitter?
I get the sense that he’s just “too something” for you, but not sure what…
It all begins with unreasonable pontification. Why should slaves have thought they deserved better? Or women? Or anyone not powerful – we all know that the Will to Power is the second most fundamental drive of our minds (preceded by the Will to Pleasure and followed by the Will to Meaning [wherein lies our species’ saving grace]); what is natural is by definition within the natural order of things and thus ordained of God – DEVS VULT – the universe itself wants it, Mother Nature herself has given birth to it…why deny this?
Literally everyone honored by history has been unreasonable in some way specific to their achievement.
Sooooo…were you for Hillary before switching to Barry??
This is beginning to come off more and more like “Just asking questions!” …
To stay on topic - obviously your heart currently belongs to Yang but is Sanders your second choice? Did you vote for Sanders in the primaries last cycle? Did you vote for Clinton in the general? (If you were old enough to vote. My impression is that you are young voter.)
You clearly are attracted to Big Ideas. How much higher do you rate having a Big Idea (or more than one) over ability to get things done within the political system we have (which includes but is not limited to winning the election)?
Continuing that thought, do you think that those people trying to get things done within the system we have do NOT do so because they have Big Ideas about making things better, EVEN IF that’s combined with an awareness that Politics Is The Art Of The Possible?
You are insisting that harm can still be there, in the future. Sorry, but insisting that does lead others to realize that one logical result is for others (if not you) to continue to be in favor of baning it, of course if you think that then it should be labeled, then let others find that harm… Of course then that is still not even good wishful thinking because as noted there is not even a good mechanism to get that harm when proper testing was made.
As for labeling, that is an issue that I do not agree with Bernie, but if it has to be done I do think that using an objective measurement, like the labeling** in all products** the proportion of how much a gene change was there in a crop or animal, it would be good to show that many times “old” non GMO crops have changed more genetically already.
I think this is a great topic, but for another thread. In the context of this discussion, it can come off poorly so let’s not go down this path here.
There is a prohibition on this board of discussing who is on your ignore list outside the BBQ Pit forum. You’re new so I’ll cut you a bit of slack, but as I recommended previously I would suggest you familiarize yourself with the rules of the board and of this forum specifically.
Do not personalize your arguments in this fashion. If you feel you must, you can do so to your heart’s content in the BBQ Pit Forum.
Bernie Sanders is leading the polling in the New Hampshire Democratic Primary with 27% of the vote over Joe Biden with 25% of the vote. Kamala Harris is at 12%.
Bernie Sanders politely asks his followers to respect the other 2020 Democratic challengers. He asks that his followers respect his opponents because unity is required to beat Trump.
My initial motivations here were to understand why someone might remain a Bernie Bro despite Andrew’s platform.
Instead I find deeply committed Bernie-haters, in the main!
So now I’m trying to figure out why y’all hate Bernie – though ultimately I’m beginning to agree with the psychology mags about political preferences being mostly a reflection of innate personality.
I’m not a young guy. I come across that way, though, 'cause I’ve never agreed with social conventions. I would’ve voted for Bernie had he had the chance by the time he came to my state. I’ve never voted, in fact – but will now for Andrew! He’s got me even more fired up than Bernie.
As for the ol’ pragmatism vs. idealism non-debate: It’s an illusion, a cognitive illusion like Zeno’s Paradox which states that because there’s an infinite number of points between any two points, we can never get anywhere…and yet we do, nevertheless.
Seriously, thanks for cutting me slack. Though I don’t see how I was “discussing” my ignore list – simply noted that I use it.
When someone implies that I’m a “racist,” that person is “playing the SJW”…doesn’t sound “personal” to me. But sure, I agree that that’s not a conversation worth having here – hence the ignore list reference you’d sanctioned.
Anyway, I’ll be more focused from now on. Thanks for the continued patience!
BTW, I’m serious (I’m always serious, I hope you’ve noticed, even if I laugh about something) – I’m not just protesting forum policy…how would I be able to ask one candidate’s supporters why they don’t think another candidate’s policies actually better accomplishes the supporters’goals??
My motivation is to test my own commitment to Andrew Yang’s platform in the manner of the Socratic Method. Being that precisely because I support Andrew’s views, I wouldn’t know where they’re vulnerable or outright unworkable – I mean, by definition I’ve given my support precisely because I think the signature policies are best and actually achievable!
I’m not a mod, but I would expect you could start a thread titled “Sanders vs Yang policy positions compare and contrast”, or something like that, without any sanction from the mods.
