Is Bernie Sanders the Democratic Front-Runner for 2020?

Inspired by this Vox article, which argues strongly that he is, and this 538 chat, discussing same.

There have beenthree decent pollsof this question this spring (scroll about halfway down the page). Bernie won all three of them, but with no more than 20% support. There were three different runners-up, Elizabeth Warren, Michelle Obama (:confused:) and Hillary Clinton (:eek:).

My conclusions: Although Sanders is clearly nowhere near the commanding position that Hillary Clinton was in four years ago, he does seem to be the single person most likely to gain the nomination (but with a chance well below 50%).

The Vox article argues convincingly that, unlike many of the others being discussed, he pretty clearly is intending to run. He has an active organization of activists and donors, Our Revolution, so he has a huge head start over any other candidate in terms of establishing a ground game. And he ismassively popular, with an approval rating of 57% among the general public and 80% among Democrats. Nobody else comes close.

On the other hand: Clearly many people in the Democratic institutional hierarchy can’t stand him, some on ideological grounds but others personally. The influence of superdelegates will be less in 2020, but still present. Ultimately the voters decide, but this is still a problem.

It was recently announced that his wife is being investigated for bank fraud by the FBI. If that comes to anything, it will be a massive blow to his brand; it’s hard to think of any politician whose career is less likely to survive revelations of financial hanky-panky.

And, if elected, he would be 79 years old on Inauguration Day. That’s older than Reagan was when he* left *office.

My personal opinion: I love and admire Bernie Sanders. He has been one of my heroes since childhood. But I’m well into middle age now, and that’s a problem. I don’t want an octogenarian President.

This wasn’t relevant in the last election, because his opponent was almost as ancient, but really, can’t we find a popular progressive who hasn’t passed what most people think of as retirement age? Maybe not; although I can’t find a link to the actual raw poll results, it seems from the article that the only other Democrat potential candidate with a positive net approval is the elderly Ms. Warren, and she has a much higher number of no-opinions.

I would like to hope that someone younger can be found (Baldwin? Merkley?), but if as the election draws nearer, it remains clear that Bernie Sanders has the best chance of beating the Republican…well, we already made that mistake once. Nominate him and pray for his health (and for a good VP choice).

About the other candidates: Michelle Obama? Really? I mean, she seems like a very smart and decent person, and she has had the opportunity to see close up how a successful Presidency works, but… I prefer to elect a President who has actually held high-level elected office before. My crystal ball says that the percentage of Americans who agree with me will steadily rise between now and 2020. Likewise, dismissing Mark Cuban, Oprah and the Rock as serious candidates.

Biden and Warren are almost as old as Sanders and don’t have comparable progressive credentials. If either of them were fifteen years younger, I could see an argument for picking them over Bernie, but they’re not.

Hillary Clinton? Really? Is this actually a thing? I can’t even…

First, it’s pretty early to be talking about “front runners” for the next election; there’s a lot of time between now and then.

Second, No. For better or worse, right or wrong, there’s too much animosity towards Sanders from a large enough segment of the Democrat-leaning side of the electorate for him to be a wise choice (though, again, maybe things’ll be different in a few years).

Why? Liberals have the best celebrities, and it’s not like Oprah wouldn’t dedicate herself to turning the world into a giant sweatshop, or whatever else the party donors want.

It’s 2017. That means the front runners for 2020 at this point are the people who ran in 2016. A lot of candidates will appear in the next three years.

He is by far the most popular politician in the country both overall and among Democrats. His approval rating among Democrats is 80%. Where’s the animosity?

I hope not. The last thing we need is a true believer in the Presidency.

Want a horribly Republican congress? Elect Bernie Sanders. Want a government that’s bland and does smart things? Elect some boring people in the middle who don’t care too much about grand ideas and ideology.

Sure, he’s probably the front runner. That and $5 will get you a cup of coffee at Philz.

Having enemies in the party establishment is a positive not a negative. Over 1000 lost races over the past 8 years and in November pushing on the public a widely-hated politician with half a lifetime of real & imagined scandals under her belt has proven that the establishment is inept and divorced from reality. Let them flail as they try to bring down Sanders yet again while the “centrist” vote is divided between Booker, Cuomo, Clinton & whatever corporate fluffers the DNC farts out.

Though his age is a problem certainly, and if the party truly has no viable political talent under 60 then maybe the party should cease to exist.

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I’d take that deal in a heartbeat.

Radical centrists lack ideology and are such sweetie pies. Dangerous radicals want to give people healthcare and clean drinking water. Commies.

Is there any reason to think Clinton might actually run again? Has she made any public statements on the issue? Apparently there is at least some appetite for this among the Democratic electorate, though personally the thought of it makes me run screaming into the night.

Maybe not Hillary (who obviously despises running for office & asking common plebs for their votes), but Chelsea has been dropping hints about getting in to politics. Our current president has proven that any sort of government experience is an unnecessary prerequisite for the job, so why shouldn’t she run? Clinton fans would embrace her in a heartbeat.

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I can’t imagine she’ll run, and I hope she doesn’t (and I voted for her *and *sent her money last time) I have nothing against her, but she’s not what the party need in 2020.

But, on the other hand, I predicted (obviously wrongly) that she wouldn’t run in 2016, so what to I know.

True enough.

Is there any reason to think Sanders will run again? AFAIK he didn’t keep his (D) membership, is old and lost the last primary to a deeply unpopular alternative.

Well, we have proven that government experience isn’t necessary in order to *get *the job. Actually doing the job is something else again. Chelsea might “get into politics”, but I can’t imagine her running for President in 2020. Even Hillary got a couple Senate terms under her belt before running.

Less than 1 1/2 Senate terms before Hillary’s first run at it. Two Senate elections, sure.

That’s basically Hillary Clinton, though. Look how that turned out?

The linked Vox article in the OP demonstrates that he is doing everything you would expect a candidate to be doing at this point in the cycle…publishing a book, hitting the talk shows and making speeches around the country, particularly in early primary states. Obviously many things can happen between now and official announcement season, but right now it sure looks like he’s planning to run.

Well, hopefully the Dem establishment will run Hitler’s clone against him so he has a chance next time.

But seriously, those are easily explained with non-election reasons. He published a book to cash in on his post-election name recognition and when you publish a book you go on the talk circuit. It’s blather analysis to think this points to a presidential run.