Best self defense weapon thats legal?

“It also contains UV marking so it’ll allow automatic blindness in the attacker.”

I do not think this means what you think this means.

UV Marking will allow the police to (or anyone with a black light) to see that this person has been marked.

It doess not physiological effect on an attacker, but can be used for evidence later.

Pepper spray seems like a resonable decision, but you should put some hours into practicing drawing and reaching it under various conditions (ie wearing jackets and other clothes) until you can do it smoothly and under pressure.

Pepper sprays have legal restrictions in some states - http://www.misdefenseproducts.com/Pepper-Spray-Laws-Restrictions-sp-6.html
Read up to make sure they are legal where you intend to travel.

And they are difficult to use properly in a high stress situation, and can be ineffective due to a number of factors (wind, adrenalin, protective clothing, inaccurate firing, distance) and may serve to piss off an assailant.

Unless cost prohibitive, one or two armed bodyguards would be the way to go. Plus, one can double as your driver.

“You don’t”. Just run. If you can’t run, hand over the jewelry. Actually, you drop the jewelry on the ground in front of you and run. Better still, don’t display your expensive jewelry around thugs.

In that situation, pepper spray/Tasers/a gun isn’t going to help. No weapon that is not already in your hand is going to help.

Pepper spray for use against humans is illegal or restricted in some states (cite). If you are not willing to run like hell immediately after deploying a weapon - of any sort - no weapon is going to help.

Regards,
Shodan

OP, practice the words, “Please don’t hurt me sirs” and learn to hand over the jewellery quickly. It’s your only hope of achieving a peaceful resolution in which your ass isn’t handed to you.

Oddly enough, was going to recommend a cheap but effective one-off that’s similar.
Weapons? Well, afterwards you’re going to be booked. Maybe nothing will come of it, maybe not. You’ll find out though.
Mace? Might work, might not. You’ll need to practice though & get your aim right… learn to account for wind etc. You can probably practice with hornet spray in your back yard. Or…

Money. cue laughter

Weapons are going to cost you a Huge chunk of change and if you get caught with them they will be taken away. Mace will too… and you’ll probably have to drive a few towns away to find some… and its still going to set you back $20 if not more.
Enter the cheap costume jewelry money clip.

Cheap money clip: $20 and the cops don’t mind if you have one.
$20 in singles: Easy to obtain and Again, the cops don’t mind if you have them.

If someone starts to rob you, pull out the money clip, make sure that he can see all those green bills wadded in it, toss it 10+ feet in a direction that is 90 degrees away from where you are intending to run … and then run like hell to safety and call the police!
They’ll have two choices: run after you and try to chase you … or … pick up the money. Thieves like life easy; which of those two is less work? :smiley:

Cons:
You’re out $20 and a cheap money clip.

Pros:

You’re not going to jail!
You’ve been robbed & can report EXACTLY what was stolen: a money clip with $20 in singles in it (bonus points if you mark all the singles with the same number or symbol in ball point pen).
A thief will throw away a wallet, but why take folded money out of a money clip? It goes right in the pocket and right where the cops will find it :smiley:
If he’s caught, You can press charges!
If he’s caught, He can’t press charges back!
You won’t ever have to explain an arrest on a job application or security clearance.
You won’t have to hire an attorney.
If you need to take time off from work to testify, the DA will give you a note / form letter. Your boss (and everyone in the office) will think you’re a hero anyway.
No PTSD.
No ham-fisted over-weight guys in unwashed Gi pawing at you and trying to throw you around 3 nights a week.
No licensing, no checks, no Sam Elliott style stare downs from cops at the local PD asking, “…And just WHAT do you think you’ll be needing a Firearm in MY town for…? Tell me again… make me a believer…”


There are very few problems that you can solve simply by throwing money at them, but… This Just Might Be One. :smiley:

Please Note: Assumes they are trying to rob you and are not trying to hurt/kill You Specifically. That said, them ignoring the money is definitely premeditation…

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Quite frankly, if you’re not willing to carry a weapon that’s potentially lethal, you’re really not carrying a weapon that’s going to be much of a threat to an attacker. Further, that a weapon is potentially lethal, doesn’t mean it needs to be. Pepper spray is borderline worthless, regardless of how it’s used, mace is somewhat more effective, but even still, the effectiveness of either is going to vary from person to person. Some people are basically immune to them, and other people can have serious reactions to them. So, if you’re going to carry it, you’re going to have some potential of either altogether failing, or just being ineffective. So, frankly, if you’re going to carry a defensive weapon, it should be all about how effective it is in stopping your attacker; your first concern should be for yourself or whomever you’re protecting, not the safety of someone attacking you.

With all of that said, carrying a weapon isn’t for everyone. In general, though I am pro-gun and support people carrying, I do not own one or carry one for reasons that aren’t relevant to this thread. Instead, a little bit of knowledge and forethought goes a LONG way to protecting me and, of course, being in a generally safe area and being tall and obviously strong and in shape serves as a pretty large deterrent as well. So give thought to thinks like your situational awareness, appearance, location, escape routes, etc.

Situational awareness is by far the most important thing in protecting yourself, regardless of whether you carry a weapon or not. In fact, a weapon is pretty much useless if you aren’t aware of your surroundings and prepared to use it. If someone seems suspicious, keep an eye on them. Don’t walk around with your face buried in your phone, keep your eyes up and looking around. Know what kind of risk you are as a potential victim in a given situation and take actions to minimize those risks. And if you have an intuition that a person or a place might be unsafe, just avoid it. In every case where I’ve actually needed to defend myself in some way or another, I was never blind-sided, though in all but one I was able to defuse it before there was any violence, I was never caught off-guard, which is exactly why I was typically able to defuse the situation without violence.

With regard to your appearance, consider how you look as a potential victim. Avoid showing anything that’s particularly flashy in public unless necessary. If you are going to dress nicely, make a point of trying to stay in more public areas, with a group of people, etc. It’s similar with location, avoid areas that are generally known for being riskier, try to stay in well lit areas around people, places that are guarded, etc.

Since guns were ruled out in the OP the next best thing is a large dog.

It’s not a bad decision but allow me to rain on your clarity some. I’ve never been law enforcement on the civilian side or an MP on the military side. I never attended the Interservice Non-Lethal Weapons Instructor Course. I have supervised INLWIC instructors conducting training and certification in the use of OC. I’ve personally watched probably 200-300 Soldiers be sprayed with the stuff the Army was actually using.

To get certified to carry/use OC required the Soldier be exposed to what one trainee described as “Satan’s piss.” After they took a full spray they then had to conduct a timed course. In that course they were required to conduct takedowns of standing people (with and without use of the riot baton) ending in the target of that takedown being fully under control and position to be flex cuffed. They also had to execute blocks and strikes with the baton and move between stations. All tasks had to be performed to standard otherwise they got backed up to the last thing they’d done right to do it again (all while still under the effects of the OC with the clock running.) While I’ve seen plenty of people struggle to resist the urge to close their eyes I’ve also seen some that made me question if they’d gotten a full spray (usually answered when they got to the end and gave in to the pain.) Most fell somewhere in between. Seeing an issue with some of your assumptions yet?

The stream is pretty awesome at not just blowing around in the wind. When it hits the splash can carry in the air. We’d swap out our instructors regularly so they didn’t get a build up from constant small exposures. I’ve gotten some hints of it 50+ feet away on a day where every viewing location I picked was followed by a wind change. More important than that exposure is if the target closes the distance with you (like, remember, everyone we certified had to be able to do.) Their face is covered in the stuff. If they tried to wipe off the liquid it’s on their hands. If things don’t stop with the spray and they close the distance there’s a good shot that you are affected too. Likely you’re still better off if they took a full shot but… there’s a reason we made everyone get a full exposure and proof they could keep fighting before they were certified to carry.

Don’t overestimate perfection in getting coverage. We made people stand perfectly still with their arms at their sides to start the certification course. Occasionally people would still flinch away or our instructor would partially miss. In training we could make them stand there and take it If there was a miss they had to stand there and get sprayed again. Your target is unlikely to be so cooperative.

OC can discourage someone from carrying through especially if it’s just about theft. It can give you a moment to break contact. If can give you an advantage in the close fight. If they do fight through the pain to get at you up close and personal, you need to be ready for it. It’s a real possibility. You escalated and they are bringing the fight to you anyway.

Yep, a well trained Rottweiler, for example, will definitive take the aggressiveness out of anyone confronting you.

One thing to consider about knives, from what I’ve read online, is that they’re considered lethal weapons, and using one against an assailant gives him the legal right to use a gun in self-defense.

IANAL, but if self-defense is a tricky subject if you’ve instigated the confrontation. If you swing a baseball bat at someone and they pull a knife in response, that doesn’t give you the right to shoot them. The law doesn’t work that way, although every situation needs to judged on the specifics.

If we’re talking that level of spray, check your local and state regulations and those of places you routinely travel. In a lot of places that is just as “controlled” (training and registration requirements for the person) as a handgun. Don’t trust the seller to know your laws; research them for yourself.

Same goes for tasers and a lot of other options as well.

If you are lucky, all of them. Seriously, someone like that could be easier to stop than some crakhead or someone stoned out on PCP or meth.

Under the conditions you have set forth I would say pepper spray may be your best bet. BUT to rephrase others, play it smart and minimalize the risk factors in where you go and what you do. In the end the best defense is playing life a little safer if you can and not getting into dangerous places to begin with.

Reading all that I want to maybe suggest you just do nothing; just continue as you are now. There is no such thing as non-lethal; there are ways even pepper spray can kill. What we’re always talking about is less lethal. And there especially mindset comes into play with how effective you are going to be in your own defense - and to be frank I’m just not seeing a mindset that will help you have a good result if you need it. Jewelry and everything else can be replaced; you can’t. And unless you are mentally prepared to do whatever is needed, including killing, you may be way better off doing nothing. Depending on whose stats you believe, a failed defense can up your odds of being injured and/or killed a little – or a whole lot. Figure out a distraction (the throwing money suggested in another reply is a good idea) and concentrate on being able to sprint like Hell.

I live in a very bad area. Not just sketchy; we’ve had 9 shooting and 4 fatals in just the past 2 weeks. But even here your odds of being a victim can be controlled. Better to look into those options than anything else in this list.

This. Useful in many ways, legal, has some possibilities for night encounters. Some of the “tactical” LED flashlights have almost dangerous lumen levels, and a little practice at targeting a perp and getting them to look right at it as you punch the button could be a very effective tactic. I know I’ve semi-blinded myself with them just playing around in stores, under normal lighting.

The downside is that they tend to be rather light and small - and cops didn’t carry four-cell Maglites because they were great flashlights. :slight_smile:

Hope it doesn’t violate forum quidelines, but this impresses me as really stupid. The number one thing you could do to lessen your chances of attack is to not flash expensive jewelry at night in a sketchy neighborhood. OK, you gotta work and your job has you at night in the bad hood, but it is YOUR CHOICE to present yourself as the most appealing target on the street.

If you aren’t willing to change that one factor, thinking you are going to be able to obtain any weapon that is going to greatly improve your chances impresses me as misguided.

Like clothahump says, awareness and reducing exposure are your best option. And as others observed, whether you choose pepper spray or a roll of quarters, you’d better experience drawing and using it. Pepper spray (or a taser/gun/etc) won’t do you any good in your purse or inside pocket.

Seriously, your best options are to ditch the jewelry, and park/walk in the best lit most crowded areas. I assume you are wearing shoes/clothes you can run in? I’d probably suggest a flashlight to check your car, and maybe a whistle.

But avoidance is the key. You can avoid the overwhelming majority of situations. When the exceptional situation occurs, even a trained fighter/marksman can face a tough time. If you want to use ANY weapon in a stressful situation, you have to practice it over and over, in as close to real-life situations as you can.

Would depend on your ability to successfully execute said attack. If you want to rely on hand to hand skills to defend yourself, it’s vastly better that you be trained in a practical fighting/defense discipline, with a focus in self defense. It’s good to know how to use your fists, elbows, arms, legs, knees, head, teeth effectively.

My concern is that OP still seems to think pepper spray is a magic “bad guy go away” device, and that attitude can lead to a lot of trouble. Pepper spray can give you a chance to run and can deter some attackers. But you need to be ready to do more than just spray someone and hope for the best. Against many attackers the spray will only serve to make them angry, and may put you in a situation where you need to be ready for a far more violent assault.

I agree. OP should start practicing peeing his pants on command.

Police officer are often known to shine their flashlight in a person’s face if they think there might be an problem brewing. Shine light, “Oh I’m sorry sir” in the meantime the person can’t see the cop.

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Wait, what? You don’t advocate carrying around weapons period, but you are going to carry a weapon?
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Foxtrot?

I think the OP needs to sit down and have a long heart to heart talk with themselves concerning their attitude on self defense, weapons, and what actions they are willing to take concerning the safeguarding of their personal belongings and their life.