Biden now least popular president of all time, including Trump {Not Accurate, see below}

Trump was the political equivalent of a wartime president. Not a foreign war, a domestic political one. But it’s the same dynamic. People under siege rally around their leader.

Trump was and is an extremely polarizing person. But it wasn’t just him under attack for his personal failings (though that was was part of it too). A good portion of the extreme hostility to Trump was towards his political views and statements which he shared with his voters. So they felt under attack too, and rallied around.

Biden comes in for his share of hostility, but that’s within the bounds of normal politics these days (much like any of the past presidents in the last few decades, of either party). So Biden’s floor of support is lower than Trump’s is.

Biden’s ceiling of support is also higher than Trump’s. IIRC, Biden’s high approval rating was higher than Trump’s ever was - I believe Trump never cracked 50%. But that’s the flip side of the same phenomenon.

One reason Trump believes it’s impossible for him to have lost the election to Biden is that the crowds at his rallies were far larger than those at Biden’s. But that’s because the election was all about Trump, and not all about Biden. Trump had more fervent rally-attending supporters than Biden, but he also had more die hard opponents as well. Just that the latter are less likely to attend any rallies. I saw a quote from a poitical strategist a couple of months before the election which captured it: “this election is Trump versus Trump, and Trump is losing”.

Leaving aside Biden’s actual successes and failures as president, the fact has been - for as long as I’ve been following politics - that presidents get credit or blame for “how things are going” regardless of the extent to which it’s connected to anything they might have done. Most voters, and in particular the low information voters who are likeliest to be swing voters, have a very rudimentary understanding of the complex forces which shape the economy or world politics. They have a vague idea that if a president is doing a good job it will work out and if he’s not then it won’t, and that’s about it.

To some extent, politicians don’t deserve a whole lot of sympathy about this. Because all these people, when running for office - and president in particular - tend to claim that if they’re elected they will solve all the country’s problems. If they’re really limited in what they can do about the country’s problems, then they perhaps shouldn’t say otherwise upfront when they’re trying to get people to vote for them.

OTOH, “everyone is doing it”. If a guy ran for president and said “hey, I’m going to level with you, a lot of the problems we have are intractable, and even to the extent that we make minor headway against those, it’s very possible that other intractable issues will arise”, and some other guy is running saying “if you vote for me, everything will be great”, then that first guy has very very little chance of getting elected. So it’s back to the people again.

It’s as if a used car dealer decided to tell you all the problems that his cars have, while his competition is talking their cars up. That first guy is unlikely to make it, which is why there are few of such guys in business. Politicians are like used car salesmen in that sense. If they luck out and the tide rises while they’re in office, then they go down as great leaders. If the opposite happens, then they go down with the ship.

At any rate, the bottom line is that Biden’s level of support is more malleable than Trump’s was, and with dissatisfaction in the way things are going, he takes a bigger hit.

Trump doesn’t believe that. He just says it because he’s a liar and he knows that his cultists lack critical thinking skills. He’s a con man who has always been a con man and he’s found the easiest marks yet, so he lies to them.
Anything other than “Trump is a liar” is falling victim to his con.

People are stupid. Most of them probably don’t remember enough, or never absorbed enough Civics to realize that the President is not some sort of latter-day dictator/king/emperor who has very limited power to actually DO stuff independent of Congress.

Nor do they realize that a lot of economic stuff is almost entirely outside of what Presidents can actually affect. I mean, they can release oil from the SPL, but outside of that everything’s pretty much outside his control. He can’t control global oil prices, he can’t control what retailers charge for things, etc…

On the flip side, they give him credit where it isn’t due when things are good as well. Clinton didn’t make the 1992-2000 time period an economically advantageous one any more than Bush made the 2008 recession happen.

What we have here is a quantifying error.

You can equate:

I did not approve of all Trump’s policies as President

I do not approve of all Biden’s policies as President

You cannot equate:

Biden is a moderate politician who has been unable to enact the policies I support.

Trump is a mindless oaf who accomplished nothing and was an embarrassment to the office

If you can cite this, I will append the title.

That will work, title will be updated, I have at least a temporary update in place.

Thanks.

In other words, don’t be a Republican.

Even the link in the OP shows several presidents with higher disapproval ratings including Reagan, Trump, George HW Bush, and Carter. Not sure how they came to the conclusion they did when the data doesn’t look that way. There could be some qualifiers that were omitted such as “at this point in his presidency”…

It looks like Gerald Ford had a slightly lower approval rating at the exact week into his presidency that this data point was taken for Biden.

I think this whole exercise is a bit silly, but at least be silly and factual (not directed at you wguy).

AFAIK, the conclusion was purely from the OP.

The cite says nothing of the sort.

Let me know where you’d like me to send your participation trophy.

Some polls have the breakdown you want, and you can report back on it. But also consider this:

There’s no certainty of what happens in November, but Democrats are currently polling poorly.

“Swing voters” are not at all the same thing as “independents”, and mostly don’t even exist any more. And the “independents” who currently disapprove of him aren’t necessarily the same group who he carried in 2020.

Prediction: The November elections will go to whichever party lies the most, and tells voters that they will magically lower gas prices, stop the war in Ukraine by just “acting tough” to Putin, bring back good old manufacturing and coal jobs, and create a massive government department to stop socialism.

Try 40 years.

In any case, Biden booted Trump the fuck out of the White House. They can never take that away from him.

No. I think Tan the Conman actually believes it’s imossible for him to have lost the election because he believes the number of his cultists is large enough to have outvoted his opponent.

Well, i disagree with that. Trump is just a liar. There aren’t any levels or depth to this.