Atlanta mayor. Has been speculated as a long-shot contender on Biden’s list of possible running mates. (I doubt her speech moves the bubble at all, but I wanted to share it.)
“Biden-Bottoms.”
Yeah, that’s not gonna happen.
Not even for the headline “Biden Picks Bottoms!”?
Polling now means absolutely nothing. Name recognition swamps everything.
Warren is too old. I’ve argued elsewhere that the VP has to be young enough to be suitable for an eight-year-presidency. Besides, she’s a senator from a Republican state, whose governor can pick the replacement. That alone is enough to block her in a year where winning the senate is just as important as winning the presidency. Her odds have always been at zero.
The only thing to say about your link is that it makes it harder to imagine that a VP choice can do anything but hurt Biden. Warren, with all her name recognition, is at a mere +3 net positive. There are no good candidates. Biden has to pick one that will hurt the least. I don’t know who that is at this point, and neither does anyone else.
You’re the one who said black voters will only be happy with a black Veep. I simply asked how you came to that conclusion. I gave you a link that showed the opposite. So it seems you’re saying your opinion means more than actual polls. Unless, you have something that shows black voters won’t be happy with anyone who isn’t black.
Also, the Republican governor problem has been addressed a few times already, most recently, just a few posts up.
Loved the speech. I think she’d add a lot to the ticket. She’s got a visible charisma, a passionate voice, and showed solid leadership last night. I don’t know anything about her politics, and I suspect she probably holds positions I don’t…but Biden might be wise to give her serious consideration.
My opinion, like everybody else’s, is simply a reflection of the totality of what I’ve read and seen. There’s been a steady stream of commentary for the necessity of a black nominee. Here are a few examples.
‘If Not Now, When?’ Behind the Growing Push for a Black Woman VP Nominee.
Biden Pressed to Choose a Black Woman as Running Mate
The push for Joe Biden to choose a black woman as his running mate, explained
Black activists warn Biden: Don’t pick Klobuchar as VP
That last, BTW, was before George Floyd was killed.
Up until this week, these pressures were natural and needed to be strongly considered but were not, I felt, overwhelming to the decision. That’s why I considered Klobachar still the frontrunner. I no longer feel that way.
All bets are off right now. Polls were worth little before and meaningless now. We have to see how this plays out.
If you believe in following the betting markets, here’s the PredictIt numbers.
This is still pretty much bullshit, and still not actually backed up by anything you have posted. Those are opinion pieces.
Polls weren’t worth little before and aren’t worthless now. Biden will be announcing his running mate in two months or less. They are worth a lot more than opinion pieces with quotes from activists and politicians.
Then we disagree. I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.
If you’re going to continue to presume to know that black voters werent ever “going to be happy” with a non-black veep candidate, yeah, we friggin disagree.
Oh, c’mon. It’s a generalization. Are you actually disputing that black voters would prefer a black VP? Certainly the great majority of them would continue to support Biden in any case, but they would be more enthusiastic with a black nominee. They did not turn out in as great numbers in important swing states in 2016 as they did in 2012 and that contributed to Clinton’s loss, so efforts to ensure turnout must be considered.
But I also said before this week that I thought Biden wouldn’t pick one. Why? Because he has to consider a great many interest groups. Progressives aren’t going to be happy with a centrist VP. Latinx aren’t going to be happy if no Latinx is on the ticket. Midwest moderates aren’t going to be happy with Biden naming a progressive. Women wouldn’t have been happy if he chose a man. This is Politics 101.
What exactly is your beef?
My “beef” is that black voters, like a lot of us, just want to beat Trump. Your assumption (or “generalization”) that black voters would only be happy with a black candidate doesn’t line up with polls or reality right now. Black voters didn’t line up behind skin color in the primary, and there is no evidence of black voters doing so in the veep search. You explained to us how black voters were “never going to be happy with any pick who wasn’t black” without actual evidence of what black voters are currently thinking. But please, continue to explain to us what makes black voters happy or unhappy.
I showed polls, you showed opinion pieces. Then you said polls are meaningless…compared to what? Your opinion? Quotes from activists? OK then, I suppose we really are done. Don’t lose any more sleep on this.
And if he gave her a friendly, consensual hug at the announcement ceremony, you know that Fox News would lead with “Biden Squeezes Bottoms.”
Bwahahahahahahhaah.
But that clip of Mayor Bottoms should be required watching. That was an impassioned speech that sums up how IHMO most people feel.
Often when people say they are not interested it means they are no longer being considered. That happens when a FB or BB coach is hired - guys withdraw right before they announce the new coach. It makes it look like they were not rejected even though that is true.
I know some of the pundit class thinks that recent days lower Kamala Harris’s chances. I think the opposite.
She has taken heat for being labeled “a cop” but the strongest message of reform can come from someone who can articulate that fighting excessive force and biased enforcement does not equal ignoring crime or being soft on it. Yes her identity helps signal something too.
Still rooting for Baldwin but Harris would serve as an important signal.
I think you’re right. I’ve thought that in light of recent developments, Harris now has the inside track.
Here’s CNN Politics on Biden’s Top Ten likely Veep picks. Harris gets top ranking: The Top 10 women Joe Biden might pick as vice president | CNN Politics
I’ve seen the list before and haven’t paid much attention because I thought it was too early.
And it was, as seen in the shuffling of that list. Klobachar sinks as she must. Lance Bottom rises as she gets face time on national television.
We see the problems that decades of discrimination against women have caused. Few of them are in national positions. Few are nationally known. Few have long term experience.
The only one who meets those criteria is Warren. I continue to refuse to believe that Biden will put a 71-year-old (on election day) white woman on the ticket. Imagine the screams if she becomes the 2024 candidate at 75. Or if she has to face and beat 20 younger, more diverse candidates with an additional four years of experience and prominence.
Not to knock on the women on the list. From what I know of them, each is fine and capable and on her way up. They have not gone through the traditional paths. Of the ten only Abrams, Klobachar, and Warren were among the 200+ speakers at the 2016 Democratic Convention, the route that gave Clinton and Obama their launches. I don’t give any of the three a chance at this point.
I know the obvious rejoinder is that we need to leave the traditional paths. If so the Dems wouldn’t have chosen Biden, the most traditional of all the candidates. I can’t imagine him pulling a Palin. He’s not desperate like McCain. All he needs to do, in fact, is stay traditional and *not *make waves, i.e. stick with the traditional way to pick a VP.
All he has to do is answer the oxymoronic question of who is the most traditional black woman to name as his Veep. I don’t envy him.