Scumpup, I think that Jim Morrison was the opposite of the point you’re making. A lot of his actions point toward him trying to escape the idolatry that comes with being a rock star. Examples would be his drastic change of appearance for the worse and his attempts at expressing himself through other venues. He also moved away to France when his contract obligations were met with no interest in touring. I’m sure his pending prison sentencing may have had something to do with this too. Also, he’s remembered as being educated and extremely well read by anyone who’s known him (he grew up the son of a admiral in the us navy…I doubt he was stupid). Where do you get the idea that he was incoherent or stupid?
As(s) for Simmons, I completely agree with TastesLikeBurning. And sorry Guinastasia, but I don’t remember much of the “advice”. I read it in an interview quite some time ago, and have since erased most of it from my mind, which I hope you understand. It was generally macho crap about how to behave in a relationship, and “if you think your hips look like your mother’s, they probably do”.
Point taken WordMan, but being a horse’s ass and acting like one, are two different dings, dontcha dink, Bro?
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Now which one a Y’all stole mah copy of “Last Man Standing” ?
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I thought you were exempt from going to Vietnam if you were in college. That’s why my uncle didn’t have to go.
No argument.
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I’ve met Stipe several times, and he’s more socially awkward & shy than pretentious. I think he used to be pretentious in his younger days, then figured out that he wasn’t doing anything important enough to warrant the attitude.
Really? I can’t find a verifiable source - but it is not listed in Snopes, either.
I thought I read it in the Playboy Interviews, but can’t claim for certain since my copy is at home…
Not sure why Dave Lee Roth would be mentioned…
Or indeed, Roger Waters… Some people think that he shouldn’t have complained about the “new floyd” being formed, but he had some rights having written 95% of floyds songs for 10 years… While ok at times afterwards, the band then called Floyd was not the same thing…
But horse’s ass? Sure a lot of his solo stuff is self indulgent nonsense, but thats just the music being bad, not himself…
I’ll nominate Gregg Allman as rock and roll’s biggest ASS. Besides being a deadbeat dad to 5+ children, he also let his best friend take the rap (and serve the sentence) for crimes that he committed.
He learned how to write from the greatest, unfortunately, no one taught him how to be a man.
I got my information from this book, among other sources:
I agree with Labrador Deceiver. I’ve seen that quip about Ringo attributed to all three of the other Beatles, and even Mick Jagger. Here’s what Lennon actually said about Ringo in the Playboy interview:
Cool - I consider my ignorance fought!
I was driving around Athens with a real estate guy and he said, out of the blue and with great urgency, “…if you ever happen to see Micheal Stipe don’t approach him. Don’t even try to make eye contact.”
Um, who? Oh, him. shug
Yeah, but I saw once when Frank Sinatra really put him in his place, telling him “I pick guys like you out of my stool!” OK, it was actually an SNL sketch with Phil Hartman and Sting, but probably would have happened if those two had ever gotten together
Sorry I was so short, WordMan. I didn’t mean to sound snippy.
Dude (of either gender ;)) - no worries; I didn’t take it that way.
It is true that college granted you exemption from the draft. What Bridget Burke is alluding to is that people didn’t think, “Darn, if only I didn’t have college, I could run off and serve in Viet Nam.” Granted, there probably were some volunteers for Viet Nam, especially early on. But as the war dragged on, public sentiment turned against the war to such an alarming degree, especially with the reputation of acts that some soldiers committed.
It’s ridiculous to think he wanted to go serve, but his education prevented him. He could have delayed college. It’s not like they wouldn’t have college when he came home (if he came home). And he would have qualified for the GI bill.
Is it possible he was in favor of the war, but felt his education and future was more important? Sure. But it really comes off as insincere for him to claim actual desire to have served in Viet Nam, yet he chose to act otherwise. To people who lived through that era, it would be like saying, “Darn, I wish I could go fight terrorists in Iraq, but I just have to go to college.”
And for fuck’s sake don’t get out of your car and try to feed him. People see this balding middle-aged pretentious has-been twat on TV and they’re all “Aw, that’s so cute”, but they what they don’t realise is that in the wild, his natural environment, he’s going to follow his natural instinct, which is to kill and eat you. And once Michael Stipe has gotten a taste for human meat there’s nothing for it but to destroy him, and before long the breeding population of these magnificent creatures, pompous 80’s do-gooding shoe-gazers, will dip below sustainable levels and we’ll have to set up a captive breeding programme, which nobody wants. Except maybe Sting.
So I guess I can’t put up Buddy Rich?
Jim Morrison didn’t live long enough to compete with Ray Manzarek in the Doors’ horse’s ass sweepstakes. Ever hear a Manzarek interview?
I might also nominate Phil Collins, based solely on last year’s Genesis - When in Rome concert video during which he prances and preens and does so much pop star schtick that it’s a total embarassment to see, at least for anyone who once took this band seriously.
I don’t think Lennon’s status as a horse’s ass is at all arguable after watching the dvd of John & Yoko with Dick Cavett, although that aspect of his personality combines with all the other things that were great about him to make him the singularly unique genius that he was. We’ve been much poorer as a culture not to have him around these last 28 years.