Damn, maybe secession is not all that bad. But I from Ohio, can we be like Viriginia in the Civil War and divide. I am very embarassed to be a red state. We really are all not stupid, please believe me.
First, to get this out of the way, Bill O’Reilly is an ass, yadda, yadda, yadda. There should probably be a sticky to that effect in the pit, then we could just post there when he does something new stupid and not waste a new thread thats the same as the last 500 threads. Honestly, don’t you people have children? He’s being outrageous to get attention, and here you come, slavishly giving it to him, each and every time. Why not just ignore him, it’s not like he ever says anything of consequence.
That being said, I am curious as to weather any of you are actually going to come right out and make the ridiculous claim that the armed services offer no, or only limited, educational opportunities, because that’s just absurd. You don’t have to let the fact that you don’t agree with the Iraq war lead you to make monumentally stupid statements like that. I’m not saying that every member of the armed forces is going to realize advanced education, no, but a significant portion of them will. I personally know an airplane mechanic, a doctor, a nurse and a pilot, all of whom learned these skills in the armed services. Oppose the war in Iraq if you must, but don’t be stupid about it.
So absurd that you yourself are about to say that they offer limited educational opportunities. Here, let me quote you.
But, you seem to disagree with that too:
In addition, the military can and does sometimes engage in a bait and switch. There’s no guarantee that if they need you for combat, that you won’t see combat. Even if your recruiter promised you otherwise.
My own position is not that the miitary does not offer educational opportunies but that recruiting, in itself, has no curricular value in a high school.
I agree, with both. (Well, not ALL Californians have their head up their asses… 
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I have no problem with the Military recruiting in our schools. SF is a wonderful place to visit, but sometimes I really think that water from hetch-Hetchydoes strange things to dudes…
But really- wishing death upon them for their meaningless sillyness? :eek:
So, by your reasoning, If I agreed to give 99 out of one hundred people a million dollars, I would not be offering a significant financial opportunity to most of the people involved. If that’s your argument, you’re an idiot.
It’s the military. Combat is fundamentally what they do. The opportunities that they offer in the absence of combat are what compensates for the chance of dying in combat. It’s a very simple equation, understood by almost everyone. Who DOESN’T understand that trade off? There was a court case about this during Gulf War I, IIRC. The plaintiff was laughed out of the courtroom. What point are you trying to make?
Damn, Dio, I think we mostly agree here. How the fuck did something like that happen, and more importantly, are you starting to shiver as hell freezes over and the cold leaks upworld to us? I don’t think recruiting has any curricular value in a high school either, but I do think it has the potential to have an enormous value for post high school decisions. Isn’t that fundamentally what high school is supposed to be about? Preparing almost adults for what comes next?
Swing and a miss.
I am saying that if there is a job which might, or might not, entail vocational training that the nature of the job cannot be considered educational.
You are familiar with the fallacy of composition, right?
Mmm hmmm.
Is combat an educational endevour?
If you say the fundamental thing they do is to fight, kill, and die, then the fundamental thing they do can’t be getting educated.
That being recruited into the military, in and of itself, is not an educational endevour.
Sure, but this doesn’t meet that standard. If a job requires a certain technical skill, and the people who are going to do that job are trained in that skill, it is not a fallacy of composition to say that signing up for that job will result in one being trained in that skill and could later put that training to use in other areas.
Again, your point makes no sense unless the dying part is a guarantee. If people are going to be taught skills to fight, kill and (maybe) die, then they can use those skills outside the armed forces if they don’t die. The vast majority of people in the armed forces of the United States don’t die in service.
I would say that on the most basic level it is, if nothing else, one learns teamwork and discipline, but beyond that, one can join with the specific intention of gaining a specific skill, and in the vast majority of cases they do get that skill.
But since not everybody who signs up for that job (ie. is recruited by the army) ends up being trained in one of those skills, it can’t be said to be a guarantee.
It sure does still make sense, because the point is that none of it is sealed with a guarantee, the educational aspect or the dying.
But the vast majority is not all.
Besides, my original point was that if the Cali schools didn’t want to have recruiting going on, it was their right, and that being recruited, as such, was not an educational endevour.
Wouldn’t that be a violation of the Constitution? Just asking. Or do you favor that we dispel with all the bullshit and declare the Constitution and rule by law to be null and void? If the Guard were to do any of this, there are plenty of us (regular citizens, Veitnam era vets etc) who would then view THEM as the “enemies foreign and domestic”. It could get real ugly.
Open up, Ghanima! Tell us how you really feel.
Well Billy boy, I a Noo Yawkah too, from Lawng Gisland even. Bayside to be exact. So from this New Yorker to another, your fucking pie hole. You don’t talk for me, and if I get a chance to tell you to your face, you’ll get a real earful. In a New York minute. By the way, did New York get all that “terror money” Bush promised them? How about better radio equipment that was promised to the Fire and Police departments? Again, shut the fuck up and don’t you fucking dare presume you represent ANY of us.