Birds drowning -- two tentative answers

I began by trying to prove or disprove this statement made in Isaac’s Storm:

I began by querying the TM in this thread.

With the plethora of WAGs proponed I began to backtrack the two cites, via the authors of the two books in a second thread.

This morning I received the following e-mail from Dr. Hugh E. Willoughby, Director of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA’s Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory:

*Dear Chief Kalbach,

I share your skepticism, but I have no idea where the “urban legend” came from. One possibility is that it was the first explanation that occurred to people who found dead birds in (or below) trees after hurricanes. The results of necropsies would be informative. I can’t imagine that a bird’s chances are very good in 160kt winds, given their low body mass and fragile skeletons. From an avian perspective, a midair collision with just about anything at those speeds would clearly ruin the whole day.

On the other hand, human survivors in the sea during high winds have trouble breathing because of blowing spray. I can attest to that from experience with helicopter “rotor wash” (~40kt) during my own navy days. Still, our nostils
are bigger than bird’s and there is a lot more spray 6 in above the surface of the sea than there is rain.

There is an alternative explanation for dead birds that show no signs of trauma. Land birds don’t have as much oil in their feathers as water birds such as ducks, gulls, etc do. Consequently, in torrential tropical rainfall, where the rates can approach 100 mm/h, they probably become soaked to the skin. The weight of the water will keep them from flying and its superior heat conduction and evaporation will sap their body temperature. Maybe the birds died of exhaustion, malnutrition and especially of hypothermia. Their metabolisms are really fast so that a
combination of not eating because of water loading and the storm’s ravages generally, and the energetic requirements of maintaining body temperature when the normal insulating qualities of their plumage is compromised could easily do them in. It would be interesting to hear what an ornithologist might think of this idea.

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So to sum up:
We have Mr. Larson who used a cite by Mr. Pielke, who got the information from an ecologist from the University of Virginia, which was reviewed by Dr. Willoughby and called an “urban legend.” Dr. Willoughby then asserts that the birds could have died from hypothermia.

Then we have Mr. Junger who used a cite from an as yet unfound article in The New Yorker.

So following Hurricane Camille, we have dead birds, which weren’t killed by wind, which an ecologist says drowned because of their upturned nostrils.
Then we have a doctor who questions that assumption and propones that the (possible inland) birds lost the natural oils which keep them dry in bad weather and “Maybe the birds died of exhaustion, malnutrition and especially of hypothermia.”

He does admit “The results of necropsies would be informative.”

Here are, in descending order of what I feel is most important, the ways to finally answer whether this is a spurious fact or not:

  1. Necropsies on several birds which died in torential downpours with little wind;
  2. Contact an ornithologist, present the two theories of death and find out what he/she believes to be true;
  3. Contact the ecologist and ask him if he possibly made a mistake in diagnosing the birds deaths;
  4. Find the New Yorker article, track down its sources and hope it shed more light on the subject.

Here is my plan of attack:

  1. Track down an ornithologist for his/her opinion;
  2. Continue to look for the New Yorker article and backtrack the cites.

The reasons I’m not taking the other tracks is 1) I have no dead birds and am not going to wait for a hurricane and 2) Mr. Larson and Mr. Pielke were so helpful that I do not want to go back through them to get to Mr. Pielke’s ecologist friend just so I can grill him and call him an idiot.

Right now, I’m wont to believe the hyperthermia angle and need an ornithologist to back the theory up.

I will be, as always, open to other theories which can be proven. But without a necropcy, I think we’ll have to go with expert opinion.

Is there an ornithologist in the house?

I hate to be a jerk, but…

When you get the answer, will you add it to this thread or start a fourth thread on this topic?

Not that I mind. Just curious.

Chief Scott,

I just wanted to say how much I am enjoying looking over your shoulder as you do this research. I’m amazed at how much you can learn so quickly while aboard a ship halfway around the world. I can’t wait to see the definitive answer when you come to it.

I read and loved The Perfect Storm*. I’m very familiar with the waters it takes place in, and can vividly imagine so many of the scenes as they take place.

I don’t know much, however, about Issac’s Storm. Do you have any thoughts or comments on it (a mini-review, perhaps).

Thanks,

Bill

Chief Scott may I suggest Cornell Laboratory of Ornithology “A membership institution interpreting and conserving the earth’s biological diversity through research, education, and citizen science focused on birds.” You should be able to find links to their various professionals and they should have the resources to help you with this one.

Just to add a little more “lack of information:”

It might be possible for a bird to die of drowning in a heavy storm, but how likely is another question–one single case would say “it happens.”

I think the question here, though, is more like “Is this something common (in hurricanes)?” It would appear to me to be unverifiable, since I don’t think anyone is going to volunteer mass necropsies of dead post-hurricane critters.

The Cornell Lab of Ornithology (of which I am a member) focuses more on citizen science such as population trends by birdfeeders, next boxes, etc. Although they will try to give you a response, I suggest you ask some of the autorities of the American Ornithologists Union. They are a more authorative figure in Ornithology. (No offense to the Lab intended!)

Also look on the BirdNet, and now that I think about it, [URL="http://www.nmnh.si.edu/BIRDNET/SCO/index.html"The Society of Caribean Ornithology might know the answer, too.

The sites contain email links.

Also look on the BirdNet, and now that I think about it, The Society of Caribean Ornithology might know the answer, too.

The sites contain email links.

I wrote:

I’d like to publicly apologize for the tone of this post.

Good luck on finding the answer to this Chief Scott.

Lance – Thanks.

Folks –

Thanks for all the references/responses to my requests for information.

I’m pleased to tell you that I have tracked down the definitive answer to the query I’ve previously posted. Due to sporadic connectivity to the web (we swiched oure queue location from Naples, Italy to Bahrain), I’m unable at this time to post my “Final Answer” thread. I’ll do so tomorrow if at all possible.

Thanks, though to: Zoology departments of Penn State and University of Miami, Dr. Willoughby, funneefarmer, Wood Thrush, and my Ace in the Hole – Lisa.

Hang on to your seat cushions – this 'un’s a good 'un!

Chief-

Have you ever considered the answers business? You’d make a wonderful Dread Pirate Cecil.