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*Originally posted by bughunter *
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When I said “flustered falcons”, I was referring to Billy’s observation that birds’ feathers don’t stand up on end when they sit on a wire. I suspect that if you had a diode between a 500KV line and a bird, it’s feathers would stand out the same as if he lit on a 500KV VdG generator.
I agree that the diode would not make any difference regarding electricution.
(I’m not even completely sure the diode is necessary, but that’s a different argument.)
As useful as the water analogy is, it does break down when you look at the physics.
Let’s run a wire from the dome of a 500KV VdG generator. I think we agree that electrons will flow into that wire until it reaches electrical equilibrium. Measure the voltage from the wire to ground and you read 500KV. The number of electrons that flowed into the wire to produce that potential depends on the dielecric of the insulator and the geometry of the system. Drape the wire closer to the ground and more electrons will flow into the wire to keep the voltage potential at 500KV. (The same as moving the plates of a capacitor closer together.)
Now put a small load on the end of the wire. It will need to be very high resistance because a VdG generator can’t maintain it’s high voltage when there’s a significant current flow. So now it’s not static electricity any more - you have a current, albeit a small one. And you still can measure 500KV with respect to ground.
How so?
Because the wire STILL has a net negative charge with respect to ground! Yes, the elecrons are flowing off the wire through the load, but they are also being replaced by the generator as quickly as they’re drained. And the voltage you measure between the wire and the ground depends on the same thing - the concentration of electrons, the dielectric of the insulator, and the geometry.
Now replace the VdG generator with a chemical battery. (Boy, I would sure like to see a 500KV battery!) Does this whole discussion change because the electrons are pumped from the earth to the wire due to chemical energy rather than mechanical??? NO! The voltage STILL depends on the number of extra electrons in the wire, the dielectric, and the geometry.
Now replace the chemical battery with a spinning generator. Again, does everything change? NO!
Well ok, it changes some. Because generators and step-up transformers generate AC.
If you have short transmission lines between the transformer and the load, then you can still treat it the same as the DC case, so long as you chop time into iddy-biddy peices. When the cycle is at a point where the voltage is -500KV with respect to ground, the wire will have the SAME OVER-ABUNDANCE OF ELECTRONS IN IT as with the DC case!!! When the voltage swings to +500KV, it will have an equiv under-abundance of electrons. Dielectric and geometry determines how many extra electrons are needed in the wire to result in a given voltage.
So, no wads, right?
Well … once the wires get very long, you have propagation delays. The wires act like AC transmission lines. And YES YOU DO HAVE WADS!!! Sine-wave shaped wads.
It’s a traveling wave, guys. At a given instant of time, you can measure the voltage between the wire and ground all along the length of the line. You will find that the voltage varies according to the distance from the transformer. It varies according to a sine wave. And JUST AS WITH THE STATIC ELECTRIC CASE, the sections of wire that are -500KV with respect to ground will have an over-abundance of electrons, and the areas that are +500KV will have an under-abundance.
So, not a wad like a cartoon fire hose, but a smooth, sine wave-shaped change in the density of free electrons, mostly along the outer skin of the wire.
Mind you, I still agree with your basic premise that birds won’t get fried until you get a completed circuit. But a small “non-frying” amount of current will flow due to capacitence between the bird and ground. The source is the power line, the sink is ground. If it were DC, you would get one brief rush, and equilibrium would be reached. Since it’s AC, the bird gets charged and discharged with each cycle. The amount of charge that flows back and forth depends on the dielectric of the insulator and the geometry. If Big Bird ™ hangs from a 500KV line and is separated from the ground by only a few inches of mica, he’s going to feel pretty hot and bothered.