Oh my God. This is fucking bizarro-world here now.
Yes, certainly, let’s assume that those of us who have pumped milk, nursed babies, or fed babies milk pumped by the baby’s mom could not possibly have any salient points to make about the experiences of pumping, nursing, feeding, or otherwise caring for babies; the convenience and cost thereof; the disruption or lack thereof to a woman’s work day; or any of a number of issues pertaining to being a working parent. Instead, let’s let curlcoat and **ZPGZealot **tell us how it really is.
Well, we’ve got two of the three resident batcrap crazies in attendance. If we could just get Susanann in here, we might generate an infinite feedback loop where they all talk to each other and the thread becomes a containment unit.
Thank you. Formula is not “shit,” and I assure everyone that you can feed a baby formula from birth and they will do far better than “maybe turning out ok.”
There are many many things Curlcoat doesn’t understand about life. Don’t demonize formula because she doesn’t know jackshit about babies and breastfeeding. The fact of the matter is, Curlcoat, that I paid about $200 for my breast pump, and it probably saved me over $1000 in formula just for one baby alone. It’s crazy not to do it if you possibly can, and a breast pump is an excellent investment.
Where I work that little private space is my office. My currently nursing coworker (2nd baby) came down about three times per day for the first 6 months, each visit lasted about 15 minutes and she was still just as awesomely excellent at her job as she’d always been.
Now that the baby is nearing his first birthday she’s down to just one pumping break per day and it makes us all a little misty just thinking about when she weans him.
I don’t know what her copay was for the pump, but I’d be thrilled if it was 100% covered.
This IS on their own dime, and applies to people with insurance coverage. Rest assured, you little sadistic psycho, they will be paying for it with higher premiums, but the immediate barrier to access (copays) will be removed.
I already responded to this. It won’t be on those women’s “own dime”; it will be on the dime of everyone in the form of higher premiums.
Not free, because it’ll be on someone else’s dime-- especially if you’re one of those wonderful women who will receive insurance coverage without paying out-of-pocket because you fall below a certain income level.
…But, yeah. No copays means insurance companies will spread that cost to everyone who buys that insurance plan, which means higher premiums. Do you want to argue otherwise?
I agree with you on all points. If you prefer formula, fine. If you prefer to breastfeed, fine. Do what you want. I don’t really think we need people with little to no experience/knowledge about breastfeeding or formulas tell us all there is to know about it.
Paid, with guarantee of a job when they got back. I think it was only three months for a non C-section leave, but I’m not sure - I just remember the six months because I’d had loved to have six months paid leave after any of my big life events.
Which, of course, I didn’t say.
Apparently, feeding the kids formula is evil to most of the mommies in here. But yeah, that would require planning ahead and consideration of those around them as well.
So, what is this six weeks? I’m not the one that brought that up.
Well, of course most of those aren’t required (yet) - if they were, why would the mommies be demanding them? Duh.
There is a big difference between cooking and making sandwiches, soup, etc. That sort of thing I can do - I can even make a decent breakfast.
If you are going around making demands on society because you decided you wanted a baby, then you should just drop off the face of the earth. If, however, you managed to make that choice without deciding you are the most special person in the world that every one should bow to, I don’t really care what you do. Unfortunately, most mommies don’t seem to be able to see a difference between those two.
And, you won’t find anything in here that even indicates that I think otherwise.
Everyone will be paying for it with higher premiums, but in the whole scheme of things, breast pumps are a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of actually having the baby.
Well, so’s the Cyclobenzaprine I get when I throw my back out. But in the long run, that script keeps me mobile and helps me heal whereas without it I might eventually require surgery which cost a lot more money. What’s your point?
And I don’t think anyone here is demonizing formula or formula feeding as much as trying to normalize breastfeeding to a certain few posters who are all like “Fucking breastmilk. How does it work?”
No, it’s only on the customer’s dime. You don’t have to pay anyone else’s premiums. It’s actually kind of none of your business what’s in someone else’s plan.
It actually lowers costs in the long run. Not as much as UHC would, though. I agree that the insurance companies are fucked up, but it’s all we’ve got until we decide to join the 21st Century like the rest of the civilized world.
But that is true of any claim. People pay premiums. Insurance companies pay benefits, according to the terms of the policy. I thought you conservatives were all about the free market; if you don’t like the way an insurance company pays benefits or prices premiums, you can vote with your wallet and do business with another company. Stop whining like a socialist.
That would be true if one wasn’t forced into buying a policy. But once HCR kicks in, everyone will have to buy a policy or be hit with a fine. So you’d end up with an unwilling customer being forced to pay higher premiums than they otherwise would be because someone else wants something at a discount to themselves… So long to the American dream
Ignoring the “civilized world” quip, least because it’s ignorant as it assumes countries without UHC are uncivilized, good luck proving this. This is like the whole “Health care reform will lower costs in the future!” spiel. There’s no way to know this until you actually get to the future.
