Psst…people can feed babies pumped milk from a bottle in the middle of the night, you know. And you can also do breast milk AND formula, in whatever combination is most helpful to you. There are a million ways to be liberated and breastfeed, too, it’s really not an either/or proposition, I swear.
Birth control, breast pumps, counseling for abuse? Are we going to do pedicures & manicures as well?
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You’ve never done it. How the hell would you know?
I let you in on a little secret: nursing feels very good.
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I have counseled plenty of women who felt suicidal over the fact that they had to breastfeed. Nightmares about the baby eating them (which in a way the baby actually was). Wanting to kill the baby because it was a vampire, etc., Switching to formula always ended the problem. And your comment about nursing feels very good, that borders on incest. Yeah, having your nipples sucked on can feel very good, no argument there, but you really shouldn’t be using your kid for that sort of stimulation.
Show me where I said they did, please.
…Okay. So it seems here we have another individual who apparently didn’t keep up with the whole HCR thing.
1.) Currently, if you can’t afford insurance, you don’t get insurance. Under the government’s plan, if you can’t afford insurance, then the government pays for it for you. You pay nothing out-of-pocket. Of course, that really isn’t the government paying, but your fellow tax payer. But hey-- it’s all in the benefit of your fellow (wo)man, right?
2.) Currently, you get what you pay for. Of course, you apparently believe that some should get more than what they pay for and others should get less than what they pay for. Let’s say, right now, I have an insurance policy which costs me <x> amount of dollars each month. Furthermore, somewhere out there is a woman who is paying a copay of <x> amount of dollars for her birth control. In two years time, or whatever it is, she’ll be paying no copay for her birth control. To compensate for the lost revenue, my insurance company will raise my premium by some percentage. Unless her premium is going to rise to a level which would offset the costs of her copay, which is highly unlikely to happen, she’s now better off, as she’s paying less and getting more, while I’m now worse off, as I’m getting the same but paying more. But, apparently, THAT’S HOW INSURANCE SHOULD WORK, right? To say “nothing will change for me” is, at best, fanciful thinking and, at worst, an outright lie.
Now explain to me why I should have to pay more for something I don’t and won’t use?
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait a fucking minute. Let me make sure I understand this correctly.
I don’t have a right to financially burden you if I get sick (which, by the way, is a straw man since no one said that), but you have the right to financially burden me by making me pay for things I might not want to pay for or buy into programs I might not want to buy into all for the benefit of someone else? Really…??? I’m hoping this isn’t what you’re saying because, if you are, then you’d be a massive hypocrite of epic proportions.
You’re a funny individual.
You know nothing about this subject. NOTHING. Is that clear? If you take away anything from this thread you need to take that away.
FYI, I nursed for two years. Nursing women can handle night time feedings in one of two ways. They can buy a safe co-sleeper, drop the boob into the baby’s mouth and just lie back as the baby nurses. They can also (OMG!) pump extra milk, store it and then ask someone else to give the baby a bottle of breast milk at night. I actually have about ten extra ounces right now. Guess what? I plan to sleep in and let my husband feed the baby if she gets up early this morning. She probably will.
Why do you keep posting about breast feeding when you are completely and utterly ignorant about it?
Please tell me you’re making up the part about counseling women. Please, please, please let that be a giant lie for the sake of women everywhere. That may be the single most frightening statement in this entire thread. If you’re really going to compare nursing a baby to an act of incest you shouldn’t never go near a nursing woman ever again. You should probably stay away from pregnant women just to be on the safe side.
FYI, woman who dislike nursing should not nurse. No one has said otherwise. You might want to stop constructing those strawmen no one else is building.
Breast feeding is the default for women in third world poverty. It’s not a luxury, it;s the very cheapest way to feed a baby.
Um, you are agreeing with me here. Breastfeeding is a choice, not something babies must have to survive. Nursing nazis have tried to convince women that if the feed their babies formula, they are killing them or at the very least, condemning them to a lifetime of ill health and misery, when that is clearly not true.
You all want to BF your kids, I don’t care. I merely comment that it is not a must.
No one said it was…you were the one who jumped right to assuming that’s why women do it, vs. the clear cost-saving benefit.
Where did I make the assumption that women must breastfeed?
I… I think I’ll just quote this and leave it there, I don’t think I need to add anything to that. I don’t think I *can *add anything to that.
Except maybe to say it’s the watermelonyou’ve got to watch out for, silly.
I’m glad that our fruitful discussion about Sandy Rios being a vile shitstain who hates women got distracted by a discussion about. . .I don’t know? Women who have gone into such a psychotic state that they think their babies are vampires or something. IDK.
How about this: ZPG Zealot, what if the law supported supplementing formula costs for families, not breast pumps? What about that? Would you then be as pissed at Sandy’s comments as the rest of us are? I’d hope so, as someone who claims to be pro woman.
Also, how do you feel about Mrs. Rios’ comments about birth control being frivolous and silly feminine things like pedicures? Let’s talk about that.
Can I ask again, as I did way back when - can anyone explain to me why she is on about the debt if this only applies to private insurance companies?
I don’t quite understand it either (and honestly, does there really have to be logic embedded in every batshit ass statement? :D), but I believe the general idea is that the cost of this problem will be absorbed by the companies, who will in turn raise premiums, which will then affect all American insured folks who are already running on low funds.
Or something. Maybe there’s someone who gets it more than I do.
Heh, sounds like “or something” is the answer. Or maybe just to confuse things, since it certainly confused me.
That’s extremely atypical. Employers are not required to give any paid leave under FMLA, and most don’t. If you want to claim that parents get special status from employers (tangentially related to the thread, I suppose…), you’ll have to leave this out of your argument. In fact, doing away with copays for breastpumps allows women to return to work more quickly, and will reduce the number of (imaginary) women getting months upon months of paid leave.
Cite for my previous post:
Only 8% of companies offer paid leave. Women without paid leave take an average of 6.6 weeks, and those with paid leave take an average of 10.5 weeks.
As a Charter Member, you should know it is generally considered polite around here to give a sum up of the content of a link, not just post a link nothing else.
This is an article about how viagra (and other ED pills) are covered and BC is not.
You’re insane, and the women that you “counseled” deserved better than you.
I can certainly imagine that there might be some women out there who have odd reactions to breastfeeding. Having you counsel them did them a great disservice.
Because you’re insane.
This has to be the craziest thing I’ve ever read regarding breastfeeding. I’ve talked to more women than I can count about it and while I would never deny that it’s unpleasant for some people, the shit you’re saying is just psycho.
There’s nothing incestuous about breastfeeding, and people saying shit like that just makes it harder for women to breastfeed successfully. It’s supposed to be a pleasant experience for mother and child. The only perverted thing about it is people like YOU making the most natural thing in the world into something sexual and dirty. There’s something wrong with YOUR brain if those are the thoughts that enter your mind when a woman says that she enjoys breasfeeding and it feels good.
Damn, you are a sick fucking asshole. Please don’t ever talk to pregnant or nursing women ever again.