Birth control, breast pumps, counseling for abuse? Are we going to do pedicures & manicures as well?

Dammit, woman, you nearly scared the tits offa me. I read your thread title, looked at who posted it, dropped my jaw and clicked so I could kick your ass back into reality. Then I find out it wasn’t your opinion after all.

::waits for heart to stop racing::

Whew. Okay…

Well at least they’re putting all their dead babies to good use* and servin’ 'em up to men so they can fuck longer! Not like here in America, where we just let them go to waste in cemetery plots and such.

Are you, too, suggesting that we be more like China, and instead, seduce you in a cockpit*? Cockpit. HAHA Get it? Cock. Pit. ::giggles::

*Both actual true news stories from today, btw.

Whining “troll” when you get called on your bullshit is obvious evasion.

And kind of trolly, in some weird, round about way.

Yeah, no shit.

Although it’s kinda weird that YOU would be saying that after invoking the specious term “Obamacare.”

Or was that supposed to be your excuse for invoking it?

Here is a little clue for you - your doubt does not affect reality.

Trolling? To point out when Diogenes is lying (again)?

Come on now - fun’s fun, but you are being dragged down to his level.

Regards,
Shodan

I’m “lying?” Cite that “Obamacare” actually exists.

Are you people out of your fucking minds? The more you pitch this kind of garbage, the less entertaining it becomes to mock you. More like making fun of a retarded person for drooling.

Regards,
Shodan

Lots of words there, not much cite.

Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite?

Come off it, you stupid troll.

Regards,
Shodan

You made a claim, you back it up.

Never mind, I shouldn’t feed him.

Regards,
Shodan

You’re losing badly here. Just FYI.

Dude, you’ve never even experimented with reality.

Well yeah, death is cheaper than life. I suppose that means you’d prefer death panels to PAP screenings? I hadn’t paid much attention to the rhetoric surrounding death panels, I had no idea that the right were advocating for them. Ignorance fought.

Agreed!

I find it funny that people are crying about all of this “free” birth control. Am I wrong, or do people pay huge premiums to those insurance companies? It’s not as if they’re forcing companies to hand out BC like candy, without getting anything in return.

Obviously, I’m not talking about programs like PP that do offer low cost and free bc. I’m talking about Average Jane who pays into a group plan at her job, and because of this will save $20-$30 a a month on that pill pack. How the fuck is that free? And how the fuck can people think it’s a bad idea?

They bitch because the sluts want to keep planned parenthood, for access to contraception and sexual services. They bitch when we want safe, cheap, access to abortion. They bitch about the “welfare queens” who have litters of babies who go straight on welfare. There’s no way we can win, so fuck 'em. I’m glad this decision has been made. And anyone who isn’t can eat doo doo.

I’ll help pay for the damn pills, considering the fringe benefits I’ll be getting.

Damn it, I got carried away; I’m too old to participate so I have to retract my offer.

After watching the Fox News clips, I’m having a hard time believing that most of the opponents of this don’t hate women. They’re opposed to rape counseling! That’s low. And if they were pro-lifers, wouldn’t they want to make sure all the ladies who “chose life” would have access to breast pumps?

I tried it in my college days, but it just made me sleepy.

No to the first, but I’ll bite on the second. Watch the interview. Here’s Jehmu’s argument in a nutshell: “50% of all pregnancies in the U.S. are unintended. Therefore, more birth control will lead to their being a significant drop in unwanted pregnancies and abortions.” When the argument was made to her that the issue isn’t having access to contraception but people not using it, she ignored it, instead going on about societal costs of raising a child (which, in this case, cannot be quantified unless you know whether an unplanned pregnancy will result in that child being on welfare ahead of time and how much society will spend on free contraception relative to how much is saved on ‘would be’ welfare). In fact, she dismisses the entire personal responsibility angle in its entirety! Of course, dismissing it doesn’t much make for a compelling argument. That’s not going to work and is a disingenuous way of arguing. As I’ve pointed out before, people don’t generally not use contraceptives because they can’t afford them, but because they willingly choose not to use them. The biggest reason for such is because readily accessible abortion is negatively correlated with contraceptive use. That is, people are less likely to use contraceptives when abortion is legal than it is when it’s illegal. But I don’t want to get into that here.

According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, fifty-four percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant, with most people using them infrequently. Therefore, you can’t say anything about them. The other 46%, however, had not. Of the 46% who had not used contraception:

-33.1% didn’t use them because they didn’t think they’d get pregnant at the time
-32.3% didn’t use them because they had had problems with contraceptives in the past, were afraid of side effects or thought it would make sex less fun
-26.5% had ‘unexpected’ sex or were forced into having sex (1.3%)
-21.5% were ambivalent about contraceptive use
-12.0% didn’t use them because they say they didn’t have access to them, either because they couldn’t afford them, they didn’t know where to find them or they just didn’t bother to get a refill
-10.4% didn’t use use them because their partner didn’t want them to or wanted them to get pregnant
-4.6% were ambivalent about becoming pregnant
-2.4% didn’t use them because they were afraid their parents might find out they were having sex

(There is overlap between the categories.)

Link

I’ll just focus on the 12%. Of that 12%, 7.9% said their non-use was for financial reasons, 2.1% said their non-use was because they didn’t know where to find contraceptives and 2.5% said they just didn’t a method and/or a refill (doesn’t add up to 12%). The latter reason is nothing but laziness and the second to last reason is a piss poor excuse for not using contraceptives as anyone over the age of 15 knows where to get some condoms, as you can find them in just about any gas station or convenience store (and since the majority of people who have abortions are in their 20’s, that’s an even worse excuse). So that leaves us with 7.9%.

Let’s just say that, now, those 7.9% of people who has no access to contraceptives (hard to believe, really) who also have abortions now get access to contraception. Approximately half of them will use them while the other half won’t, and around half that uses contraceptives will use them inconsistently. So the question is, why should we subsidize contraceptives (free of copays!) when:

(1) The majority already has access to them and
(2) The majority who already has access to them don’t use them?

It’d make much more sense to promote some measure of-- you know-- personal responsibility*. But this is a problem we have in this discourse. One side likes to treat the issue of one where every woman-- or even the majority of women-- do everything they can to not become pregnant. It’s not and they don’t. A simple fact of the matter if that many people don’t use contraceptives simply because they don’t want to or use them infrequently because they simply don’t care, so why pay for something people aren’t going to use anyway?

That’s evidence enough you don’t know what a straw man is. Makes since, since the people around here are so fond of them and use them liberally.

Yet you gave enough shit to quote me to tell me that you were going to ask me to list them but that you decided against me because you didn’t give a shit, even though you gave enough shit to quote me in the first place? Congratulations on your fail :stuck_out_tongue:

(But, oh, that must mean you hate women and want them barefoot in the kitchen, right?)