I don’t think so, hence the absence of legal precedents. I believe every President born post-1783 was born in a U.S. state (or territory?).
Ironically, it would have been more of an issue with John McCain and his PCZ birthplace, although one suspects that the same people making waves now would have been oddly silent on the subject had McCain won.
I’m nitr trying to muddy the waters. I’m fighting ignorance.
Well, yes, but I thought the question being raised was about where the executive’s parents were born, insofar as it might affect one’s own “natural born” status.
I trust nobody here is arguing that Obama wasn’t actually born in Hawaii.
I agree that the first cite was dictum. However, the second cite appears to be a ruling. The entire case is was to ascertain whether Wong Kim Arc was, in fact, a citizen, thus his opinion had direct bearing on the case and is not dictum.
And let’s also remember dicta can turn out to be very important, especially if later courts have nothing else to go on.
See United States v. Carolene Products, 304 U.S. 144, 152 n.4.
I remember when this place had mods. I wonder what ever happened to Giraffe?
-Joe
Oh no. No one would argue that! :rolleyes:
We’re just saying we don’t know he was born in Hawaii; we don’t know he graduated from Harvard Law, and especially with a name like Obama Hussein, we don’t know he’s not an Al Qaeda mole.
Come to think of it, has he ever had a DNA test? We really don’t know whether he’s even human. Shouldn’t our lazy Congress get off its ass and look into that?
I heard there is a city, or state, or something named Hawaii in Kenya.
Even if it’s not on a map, that doesn’t prove anything. It could have been destroyed anytime after Obama’s birth, or simply removed from maps for security reasons.
It’s time for the Kenyan cartographers to come clean.
For those who aren’t intimately familiar with the cite, it’s noted for a super-duper famous footnote that gave rise to an entirely new level of judicial scrutiny. (Yes, a famous footnote. Lawyers are like that. And yes, ‘super-duper’ is Latin.) Here’s the text from Wiki:
I quote Jack Black: “Damn, that’s so good it should have been mine.”
It hearkens me back to my favorite: The town of Usa (Oo-sa) in Japan, so that all the toys could say, “Made in USA”
Which piece of ignorance would that be?
I’ve heard he’s actually a woman. Now I’m not saying he is, but if he isn’t why is he so reluctant to expose his penis in public to disprove this claim?
For that matter, there’s no such thing as a “Caucasian” race. Anyone you know from Caucasia? Do you know where it is?
Erm… they were ancestors of modern pale skins, born in the Caucasus mountain range, weren’t they?
Is this a whooosh?
Very similar allegations were raised about President Arthur and his place of birth.
Arthur’s father was a British immigrant from Ireland, who lived in Upper Canada and the United States for several years before naturalizing as an American in 1843. He married an American woman.
Arthur was born in 1828 or 1829 (some uncertainty about the exact date), in Vermont. However, there’s no doubt that his parents had lived at some time in Upper Canada.
Since citizenship at that time flowed through the father, not the mother, if Arthur was born out of the US he wouldn’t have been born a citizen. If he was born in the US, he would be a citizen, as well as a British subject, since his father was still a British subject.
Arthur’s political opponents, including a lawyer, tried to make the case that he had really been born in Ireland and emigrated to the US with his father, or that he had been born in Upper Canada. However, nothing ever came of it.
The wiki article on Arthur summarises it.
He doesn’t want to make the preceding 43 Presidents to feel inadequate?
He is the first Black President 
Technical note: No, they were not. When Blumenbach was categorizing his dilineation of races, he proposed that the European peoples had arisen in the Caucasus Mountains, partly based on his view that the current inhabitants of that region were the most beautiful examples of that “race.”
Europeans actually migrated out of Africa, just like everyone else, and underwent whatever genetic shifts that created the current crop over time, just like everyone else. The Caucasus was not even a particularly notable stop on their migrations.
They moved it south, and called it USA river.
Well, there were a few eyebrows raised at the “trouser wrinkle” in this picture.
Excuse me while I whip this out…
