Ask me about the children.
Is a person born, in 1961, in Hawaii, a natural born citizen?
It’s entirely obvious, to this point, that you are part of the “birther mania” referenced in the OP, and thus that my repeated question is not a hijack.
I desire you to admit that Barack Obama is constitutionally eligible for the office of President of the United States, and, if you do not admit so, I expect you to demonstrate the precise reasons why you do not believe him to be so eligible.
As above: thank heavens you’re not my lawyer.
He’s just going to persist with the “I don’t know” bullshit to keep from having to actually make and defend a reasoned argument.
Sure, Dio. How’s the kids? Are they circumcised?
A little bit. The publisher’s webpage for the Indonesian translation of The Audacity of Hope gives the title in Indonesian as Menerjang Harapan: Dari Jakarta Menuju Gedung Putih, which word-by-word in Googletranslate comes out as
“Crashing (hoofing, running into, hacking) Hope (expectation, expectation, prospect, hopefulness, outlook, trust): From Jakarta Toward Building (house, mansion, structure, edifice) White (pure, pale, hoary)”
In other words, the Indonesian title appears to mean something like “Running into Hope: from Jakarta to the White House”.
The actual Indonesian word for “jihad”, unsurprisingly, is “jihad”. Somehow I suspect that the alleged equivalence of “Menerjang Harapan” with “Jihad” was most likely the invention of some total loony.
CHIEF ZED: Sorry, guys, we gotta leave this one alone. B’rrr’ooorhakkka’aaa Hssssss Akh-Buumaaiy has a valid Earth residence-and-work permit under the Third Crab Nebula Treaty, and he really was hatched in Honolulu.
If being born in a US state in 1961 to an American citizen mother isn’t enough to make you a natural born citizen, then I don’t know who qualifies for natural born citizenship. I mean, we’re not talking some non-state jurisdiction here (such as a tribal reservation or a territory, where citizenship may have been explicitly extended through an act of Congress). We’re not talking about a kid born to diplomats inside an embassy. We’re not even talking about someone born inside the Panama Canal Zone, or someone born in another country’s jurisdiction to US parents. All of those have potentially some nuance to the answer (some less so than others).
But, what we are talking about is someone who was born in a state which has been lawfully admitted to the United States. If he doesn’t qualify, then who the hell does qualify?
I’d like to get back to Col. Lakin.
This asshole seems to have lost all concept of the C.O.C. I don’t care if he really does believe that Obama was born in Kenya. Lakin is in the damn U.S. Army and that means respecting the Chain of Command (C.O.C.). The Army can’t function without the C.O.C. If you’re in the fucking Army you have to respect it. If he wants to lodge a complaint, he can go for it, but he is refusing to obey his commanding officer, his commanding officer’s commanding officer, his C.O.'s C.O.'s C.O. and all the way up past McHugh (Army Sec) and even fucking Sec. Gates himself.
There is absolutely no excuse for that.
A factual question:
Let’s assume that somehow it was discovered Obama was born in Nairobi, though to an American citizen. If this were the case then at absolute least his claim to citizenship would be questionable; there’s a possibility that he’d still be considered a natural born citizen through his mother.
HOWEVER, if this were the case, is it not true that he would STILL be PotUS until such time as he was removed after formal investigation and hearings? He’s been incontestably elected, his election was confirmed by the electoral college, he’s been sworn in by the Chief Justice- would the discovery that he was really born in Kenya even disqualify him as president in and of itself or wouldn’t he still be president until it was decided otherwise by [the SCotUS or whatever the hell other agency would decide such a matter]? In which case, until such time as proof and investigation and impeachment or whatever remove him, he is Larkin’s Commander in Chief regardless of the circumstances of his birth?
For what assertion did you ask gonzo for a cite?
Frankly, I don’t really believe he is under any misapprehensions regarding President Obama’s constitutional eligibility to hold his office. I really think he’s just fuckin’ with y’all.
Stating upfront that this is a Twilight Zone level scenario that isn’t going to happen, the Constitution is clear that there would have to be some kind of impeachment proceeding. Impeachment is a political process, not a legal one, so legal technicalities don’t strictly have to play into it, but I can’t imagine that Congress (especially a Democratically controlled Congress, but even a Republican one) would proceed without some kind of definitive ruling from the Supreme Court that Obama was not a natural born citizen (a finding I think would be exceedingly unlikely, but what do I know, I’m just a blowhard with a mail order “expert” title under my name), and it would take somebody with “standing” to bring it to SCOTUS at all, and it’s hard to say what would constitute “standing” in this regard, but assuming everything went perfectly by the Birther script, and Obama was declared a Kenyan born, Muslim usurper by the Supreme Court, it would still take months or years to drag everything through the judicial process and impeachment process, and opinion polls would play heavily into how the votes went.
in any case, Obama would not just be instantly removed as POTUS. He would still have ample time to launch a bunch of nuclear missiles at Israel, reveal himself as the Antichrist and commence with Armageddon, according to plan.
If Obama was removed Biden would be president. I wonder if Larkin would go if Biden were to call him up and say “Get your ass to Iraq, bitch!”
He’d have to. There’s no question of Biden’s citizenship, and his election was separate and independent of Obama’s.
I’m not sure I exactly get your question, but I think I do.
Here’s how the fuck up at the top would work out. The Supreme Court would have to decide. Them and ONLY them. If they rule that Obama’s birth doesn’t meet constitutional muster, it goes to succession. If Obama isn’t valid, then it’s Biden. Then the Supreme Court would have to decide if Biden was even elected VP in the first place. That’s a sticky one. That’s one HELL of a hypothetical, though.
But IF that were to happen, the position of Commander in Chief would go to Pelosi, as she’s Speaker of the House. It still means, however, that Col Lakin can’t refuse his orders. Those are issued from the COC.
In short, unless the orders are unlawful, it really doesn’t matter which position the higher ups hold.
One other thing: It’s “Lakin”, people. There is no “r”.
“Lakin” not “Larkin”
There wouldn’t be a question about Biden’s election. VP’s are elected separately and independently of Presidents.
How? That’s not on the ballot. I don’t know what you were looking at, but I don’t think it was even possible to vote for McCain and Biden at the same time.
I have a simple question which I’m sure has been asked and answered hundreds of times, but I must have missed it…
My children were born outside the U.S.A. but I’ve been assured by every U.S. Consular official that I’ve asked that they are “natural born citizens” and qualify for the Presidency!
Their mother is not a citizen; I had to register their births with U.S. Consulate for their citizenship. Had they been born (as Obama was) to American mother they would have been automatically Presidency-eligible “natural-born” citizens regardless of birthplace or father’s nationality.
Is this in dispute? Was the law changed between Obama’s birth and my daughter’s birth in 1990’s?
Wait a minute… I get you. V.P.'s are elected by the electoral college. I forget that.
Like I said: that hypothetical would be very very sticky. I’m not sure you could argue that a V.P. was elected “independently”