Celly, look at who you hang out with. You and your spouse tend to be around more corporate folks in recent years, so you’re chillaxin’ with people who are more likely to order a martini or a decent vintage wine. Look me in the eye and tell me that when you first moved to T-dot and you were swinging a hammer for a paycheck, that a) you would have ordered an $8 glass of wine rather than a $3 pint and b) the guys you went out with after work would have let you drink it without looking at you sideways.
Edit: the nested quotes are a pain in the ass to edit.
I think I figured out why I usually stick to the pit. I can’t call all the dumbasses in this thread dumbasses, so their dumbassery will just have to go uncommented. Hint: I’m not talking about the OP, who has displayed no dumbassery as far as I can see.
I think white wine is horrible and kind of weird. And I think it’s usually drunk by white women who are at least 40. If I kept seeing black guys drinking white wine, I’d also think there was something that had recently popularized white wine with black men.
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not at this point. If you are, please let me know, so that I may dismiss everything you post in the future. If not, that would explain why it appears you have so thoroughly misread my posts in this thread, so back at ya.
Maybe I don’t notice because the chicks I know drink whiskey. Yes, I’m familiar with the concept of girl drinks, but to be honest, I don’t see many people in general ordering Scotch at the bars. Most people I see are just drinking beer, or some very basic cocktail. In the event that a girl drink is ordered, I’d put my money on the person ordering it being a chick, but wouldn’t be surprised if it were a man at all. With the pussification of martinis (lemon martinis, chocotinis, whatever the fuck) a lot of people are drinking like chicks now.
And Rand Rover, if you seriously think white wine is restricted to middle aged white ladies, you need to get out more. Moreover, if you think it is so restricted to middle aged white ladies that if you see other people doing it, it strikes you as out of place, and you wonder what music video or film they picked it up from, you’re beyond needing to get out more, and are all out insane. This is white wine, people, not Wheat Thins and Fresca.
Again, I love white wine. My mum’s family is Hungarian, I’ll have a nice cheap liebfraumilch or tokaji with dinner any day of the week. But in North America, drinking wine as a twenty-something makes me stick out like a sore thumb. Like I said, this is moreso if it’s white. If I ever ordered a glass of chardonnay with my friends from university…-insert gay/woman joke here-. :smack:
It very much depends on context, though. You go to your local dive or sports bar and order a wine, yeah, that may make you stick out like a sore thumb of you’re a college-aged male. You go to a nice more upscale bar or restaurant, not a big deal. When I was in my early 20s, there were a good number of bars we went to where ordering a wine–even white–would not elicit a reaction from my peers, although I will admit ordering a white probably will be judged as slightly “girly” if you pressed them. And it’s not a big deal at all in a restaurant setting.
My band played a gig in a wine bar a couple of weekends ago. Musicians got FREE WINE. So you should be able to guess what we drank. We’re all white Australian males, though.
My black (African-Australian) friend (and former housemate) drinks plenty of wine, red or white. I’d say wine is his drink of choice nowadays.
I should probably shut this down because of the ridiculousness on display from all sides, but for right now I’ll leave it open in case anyone wants to address the question or just talk about wine. I will shut it down if other mods think that’s the right call or if I see any more insults. This is Cafe Society. Insults are not allowed…
…even if the insults are phrased in passive-aggressive language.
Okay, point taken. Although I could have ordered wine with the IA guys, it’s not like I was drinking a pink, girly drink with a little paper umbrella sticking out, but I’d probably need them to serve it to me in a filthy coffee mug to look a little less refined.
But yeah, with the corporate types that I meet with for work or when I’m at a high-falutin’ fundraiser, no one bats an eye if the man in the suit is drinking a glass of wine.
Huh. See these comments about women and white wine are making me raise my eyebrows almost as much as the OP. It must be my long-time California upbringing but drinking wine in general and white wine in particular has zero gender correspondence to me. I grew up in a household where whites and reds were always around and whites probably predominated. My 6" 3" father who did all of his own auto repairs and such, drank plenty of white wine ( still does ). I drank wine in college ( also a lot of Guinness, but very little hard liquor ) as did many of my male friends and though our taste in wine was arguably a bit suspect, I don’t think our masculinity was.
I grew up in a household where no wine was drunk and the only time I saw people drinking wine was at social functions and then only the women drank it. So any wine drinking by a man is girly.
So there is my anecdote which trumps everyones elses anecdote because my worldview is the only one that mattters and thus I am right.
EDIT: I don’t mean any hostiliy towards Tamerlane his/hers was just the latest post basing their opinion that everyone drinks wine and it is very common for men to do so, especially white wine, on their personal experience.
I have no idea how relevant it is, but I’ve noticed rap artists talking about Rosé (spelled “rozay”) on the radio lately. Maybe the OP saw Young Jeezy out on a Friday night.
No, like I said it honestly befuddles me a bit, but like I also implied I’m sure my upbringing has something to do with it. I was raised in a milieu of “working class intellectuals” ( pretty loosely defined ) and from my early teens at least in wine-centric California. The folks my parents interacted with were mostly blue collar workers, but many of whom happened to have college degrees or were otherwise self-educated in political theory ( my folks were Reds ). Boozing, and plenty of it, was mostly done at homes instead of at bars and auto-line after-shift chatter more often involved Trotsky than the 49’ers.
In such an effete atmosphere, no doubt I got my priorities out of wonk ;).
Okay, so I’ve now posed this question to many others here in NY, and there’s only one potential answer that can explain the admittedly statistically insignificant trend. Numerous other theories were tossed around but none passed the logic test. Some videos and movies were mentioned but none seemed popular enough to drive a shift in preference. None of my friends, besides the bartender, have noticed the trend. Last night, my friend thought I was probably mistakenly assuming it was wine and that the trend was probably that people were drinking normal mixed drinks out of wine glasses. Everyone, and I mean everyone, thought it was weird that 3 guys would be drinking white wine together in a bar, regardless of demographic.
I’m typically the first to notice trends, and in NY they come often. When I first notice what I think will be a trend, I quickly take note and start trying to find answers. Sometimes it’s just coincidence and this may be a strong possibility in this case. But it would be a very weird coincidence.
Funny thing is that the bartender (who had mentioned that their bottles of Moskato started selling out after the Trey Songz song “I Invented Sex” became popular) told me that Moskato is indeed white. That song was extremely popular and that might be the origin.
And MeanOldLady: I’m not ignoring your previous post, but would rather not send this thread on another pointless tangent, especially after the mod warning.
back at ya.