I am shocked to see you’d like another thread that’s all about you.
This is either disingenuous or naive. Obviously it was a “joke”, but that does not preclude it from being a shot taken at me. And I’m asking: where have I said anything that justifies a joke of this sort, even if we take as given the obvious level of exaggeration, that it is not meant literally? I’m asking for some indication that I want the state to create misogynistic restrictions on women’s sexuality, rights to employment (which would be trouble in my family, where my wife earns the lion’s share of our family’s income), reproduction, or civil liberties more generally.
Hah! Pay attention, GIGO: Gary just showed us all how it’s done. His joke was funny, well-aimed, and a sick burn. His implicit accusation is undeniably true, unlike this “Handmaid’s Tale” BS.
I would point out however that you all collectively have the power to deprive me of rhetorical sunlight. Stop engaging with me, and I’ll shrivel up like a houseplant left in a dark closet.
But the truth is, you’re enjoying it too. It’s enthusiastic consent all around! 
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I apologize to all for my poor choice of wording. I should have of course said:
“I am shocked to see Slackerinc would like another thread that’s all about him”.
Besides your “even in clear-cut, non-ambiguous situations where the metaphysical truth is that it was rape, it often should not legally be rape because there are so often no witnesses.” The context shows that others replying to you are talking about trials, were evidence indeed is not just a “he says she says”, clearly you are just ignoring that just to make what amounts to a straw man argument,
So, yeah, just what I suspected.
How is that any different? Did you really think anyone would fail to understand you were addressing me?
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I don’t see anything wrong with what she wrote. So, by “feminist twitter”, you mean “twitter, by women”?
Nope.
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“Nope.” OK, so help me out here - what’s particularly “feminist” about observing that every woman you know has been sexually assaulted? I could make that exact statement and it would be 100% true. That doesn’t make me a feminist, it just makes me not blind to the realities of life for the women I know.
Stonebow, despite having disagreed with me about these definitions earlier in the thread, said Ansari was clearly guilty only of being a jerk, and seemed to suggest that it was only a few people on Twitter who thought otherwise. This is my counter-evidence to that, which I really should not have to spell out.
Also, you seem to think “feminist Twitter” is some kind of insult I’m lobbing. In fact it, just like “gay Twitter” and “black Twitter”, is a label used by the very people it refers to. HTH
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…black twitter is a well documented cultural phenomenon. “Gay twitter” and “feminist twitter” are not.
Shows what you know. Glen Weldon (himself gay) used the phrase “gay Twitter” on NPR recently; and five seconds searching Twitter itself would show you that it is used constantly.
For just one of MANY examples:
https://twitter.com/camcron/status/972519908285104128?s=21
As for “feminist Twitter”, the freaking Knight Foundation uses the term (along with “black Twitter” and “Asian American Twitter”) in a report.
Sample sentence from the report:
“Participants compared the relationship of mainstream journalists to Feminist Twitter as anthropological rather than collaborative and described the discomfort of being written about as if alien rather than to or for.”
I’ll await your mea culpa. But I’ll keep respirating in the meantime. :dubious:
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…mea culpa?
Because you found a person that I’ve never heard of uses a phrase and an organization I’ve never heard of used it in a report? Are you fucking kidding me? Can you guess why the report you cited is called “How Black Twitter and other social media communities interact with mainstream news” and not something completely different? Can you guess why “Human Vaporware” used the trademark symbol?
Congratulations for learning how to use fucking google. But “gay twitter” and “feminist twitter” are just the words “twitter” with either “gay” or “feminist” in front of it. Gay and feminist communities exist on twitter. But neither are notable enough to get an entry on wikipedia. The three are not equivalent.
Congratulations yourself for making it clear that you have no familiarity with public radio. Otherwise you definitely would have heard of the Knight Foundation and its 2.4 billion dollar endowment, not to mention NPR culture critic Glen Weldon—who, BTW, has a special interest in comics.
Here is Weldon’s review of “Black Panther”: 'Black Panther' Is A Superhero Story You Haven't Seen Before — And It's Thrilling : NPR
And here he is discussing it with a couple other hosts of a different NPR program: 'Black Panther' with Glen Weldon and Evan Narcisse : It's Been a Minute : NPR
But you ought to go ahead and tell him that gay Twitter is not a thing. Please link us to the tweet so I can have a good laugh about it.
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I agree in so much that Ansari wasn’t guilty of a criminal offense given the facts provided by the accuser, and likely also would not be found civilly or administratively liable.
That said, ‘sexual assault’ covers a wide range of behavior. It’s not just being dragged into to the bushes and being forcibly raped. Was it unwanted sexual touching? Seems like. Did he know or have reason to know it was? Possible based on what we know. Did she give consent to some sexual activity? Yup. Did that give him a blank check? Nope. See, all of these things can be true simultaneously. Humans are complex.
And here’s the thing- judges and administrators make decisions about this stuff every day based on evidence, credibility, and other factors. get paid for it, in fact.
And you are not helping with your discussion of the straw man of the cheating husband being railroaded by the scorned wife. I would say that if she wants to press it, the facts go to a judge, and a decision is made. But I’d be curious as to whether you are aware of any cases like this actually happening with enough frequency that we can’t just relegate it to background noise, like your Twitter example.
(note: I also don’t see an issue with the tweet. I have yet to meet a woman who has not experienced unwanted sexual touching by any reasonable objective standard you want to use. Ansari’s behavior is a symptom of the dysfunction in our social norms, not the cause of it)
I’m finding your position rather unclear. To me, sexual assault is a legal term which describes a crime. Yet you seem to be saying that he was guilty of sexual assault but not guilty of a crime, or even the lower bar of being found at fault in a civil proceeding.
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BTW, if it’s not a strawman to explain to me that sexual assault is not just dragging someone into the bushes, it’s something close to that. I just a few posts ago stated that grabbing the ass of a friendly acquaintance would be sexual assault. So, yeah: I think I was aware of that already. :rolleyes:
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…congratulations on making it clear that you have no idea that people in other countries exist, that there are millions of people who don’t live in America, where “public radio” is not NPR, and the Knights Foundation mean absolutely fuck-all.
What the fuck is that supposed to prove? Can you name a single culture critic in my country? Some of them even reviewed Black Panther! But I’m not stupid enough to assume you’ve heard of them just because they are house-hold names where I live.
Why the fuck would I want to do that? I’m talking to you, not talking to him. “Gay twitter” is not the same cultural phenomenon that “black twitter” is. And I’m pretty sure NPR culture critic Glen Weldon (who-ever the fuck he is) would agree with me on that.
My impression has always been that this is a US-centric message board with, yes, its share of foreign visitors — but visitors they (you) are.
If it’s really becoming some truly international thing where I have to sort out each person I’m interacting with to know what their cultural touchstones might be, then I will have to potentially reevaluate.
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That tweet doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means - it’s them pointing out using “then every woman I know has been sexually assaulted” as a measure of incredulity or improbability is dumb, because yes, every woman they know has been.
It’s not the best rhetoric, but it makes perfect sense to me.
No. I’m just taking cognisance of your proven reading difficulties in suggesting that you’re confusing all pro-woman tweets with being “feminist twitter”. Arnesa may well be a major node on the feminist twitter network for all I know, but that tweet doesn’t show it. “All the women I know have experienced sexual assault” is only a primarily feminist statement to someone invested in trivialising and diminishing women’s experience of living in a rape culture. To non-shitheads, it’s just a truism.
…you would have to be fucking stupid to assume that everybody you interact with on these boards are in the United States, listens to NPR and knows how they are funded, and have heard of an obscure culture critic.
Give me a fucking break. You don’t need to know my “cultural touchstones” in order to communicate with me. You just have to stop assuming that everybody knows your “cultural touchstones.”