The son’s whole story is “I’m continuing my father’s work”. Why wouldn’t he be judged for it?
Also: “On top of his dad getting your parents killed, that guy tried to kill your girlfriend without provocation and if he hadn’t interfered we’d have brought Klaue back alive for you to confront personally. But sure, go with him - whatever floats your rhino.”
I am eager to see the Black Panther movie when it comes my way,
but right now I am more curious about the black hole the OP has apparently disappeared into.
All of the reviewers I follow have loved the movie, some saying it’s the best Marvel movie yet. I’m planning to watch it this weekend and can’t wait.
Probably a basement in St. Petersberg.
Stranger
Psshaw, only the best white holes for the OP.
Wiith a join date of 2008?
A deep-cover operative maybe?
. . . Holy crap! Did he get disappeared for blowing his cover!?
(Nah. I’m guessing he’s just cleaning his keyboard after blowing his load.)
Exactly right. Aw, there’s a fantasy movie about a fantasy African country with a fantasy King who’s a fantasy superhero and has fantasy black women kick-ass bodyguards and fantasy black teenage girl super-scientists? And none of this ever really happened, it’s just fantasy, no such country every existed? It’s just a power fantasy for black people, that’s what you’re saying? And this is horrible, because it’s just not real?
Only white men can pretend to be fantasy super-scientists. Only white men can pretend to be fantasy kick-ass bodyguards. Only white men can pretend to be fantasy super-heroes. Only white men can pretend to have fantasy magic powers. White men pretending to do that stuff is realistic, black women pretending to do it is ridiculous.
Although I don’t think he’s actually a Russian troll, they’ve actually been around for a long time. Russian and Chinese intelligence (and Eastern European hackers) recognized the potential for using social media to compromise people very early on, and since then the “targeted demographic advertising” model has not only demonstrated the ability to target ads but to actually manipulate behavior. It’s a propaganda tool far more effective than normal media because there is no vetting, and the more ridiculous a story is actually makes it more likely to be repeated ad nauseam by users, especially once it hits a critical mass. The truth of a proposition on social media is literally less important than how catchy it is.
Anyway, the people whining about how the movie is excluding their particular demographic or using them in the broad comedic role normally assigned to the token minority are missing the very point made in Stranger Things 2: nobody wants to be Winston. And this film (and Wonder Woman) have aptly demonstrated that there is a gigantic and nearly untapped market for films that do not feature exclusively white and mostly male lead characters, even if the objective evaluation of the film is that it is mediocre (as I felt Wonder Woman was in nearly every element except casting). If you actually produce a superior film with a black cast, you can reap large profits from not only the black demographic but also everybody else who just enjoys a well-told story on a richly-textured narrative tapestry with memorable characters.
This is a lesson that people like Melvin Van Peebles demonstrated in the 'Seventies, and then come the 'Eighties with white actioneers featuring Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Chuck Norris, Bruce Willis, and Patrick Swayze, and somehow Hollywood got the idea that the formula only works with a white lead because mediocre low budget films like Action Jackson didn’t do well. (Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy seemed to be regarded as anomalies…an action film can work with a black lead as long as he’s a comedian…or something). Anyway, Black Panther has broken records, made a fantastic profit, introduced a critical new element into the MCU narrative that isn’t going away, and the whinning-ass bigots who just can’t stand the idea that diversity isn’t just a social justice idea but also a successful business plan for entertainment are butt-hurt over it and posting in full-on passive-aggressive mode, which just demonstrates how infantile and unfit to participate in society they really are. The o.p. and his cohort of apologists for bigotry in response to the success of the film are missing out on something the rest of us can enjoy regardless of skin tone or ethnicity.
Stranger
that’s beautiful.
in-universe, I’ll claim a particularly badly timed case of scruples on T’Challa’s part at the traumatizing and recent (to him) discovery that his cousin (who is a perfect age and background for them to have been otherwise raised as brothers) has been left to the tender mercies of inner city 90s America (which, ouch), followed immediately by a really unfortunately-timed case of nearly being dead, and an associated and likewise poorly timed change in regime which prevented any sort of useful and illuminating tete-a-tetes.
out of universe, it’s a case of the plot rails showing thru juuust a little bit in the service of not having Killmonger be the ONLY warmongering character in a film full of otherwise peaceful and pacifist Wakandans.
Wouldn’t the exception have been explained as their needing white costars Nick Nolte and Gene Wilder? Or are you referring to other movies I’m not thinking of?
Speaking of female empowerment and all, the emphasis on this point has been kind of puzzling to me. Wasn’t the story that the War Dog, T’Chaka’s brother N’Jobu in Oakland, fell in love with and married a local woman, with whom he had T’Challa’s cousin Eric/Killmonger?
Who was she? Did she die prior to the Oakland flashback or something? Because otherwise this “I’m so sorry coz, we should totally have brought you back to Wakanda as a child after your dad was killed, widowed mother what widowed mother?” riff is sounding kind of weird.
I can see the part about feeling guilty over not having kept in touch at all or helped out now and then, or even for not having offered to bring mom back to Wakanda along with Eric, all of which neglect I guess was mandated by Wakandan security protocols or something. But I am not getting this bit about “woe is me we should totes have rescued that young child from Oakland”, where he presumably had a mother who would have been sorry to lose him.
i’m thinking T’Challa from his place of privilege and overdeveloped sense of familial responsibility simply figured they’d abscond with BOTH kid and mom, but you’re right. She might have been dead already - I just saw it as they killed N’Jobu and left the kid with her as a single mom and a mysteriously dead husband. If she was alive, he probably told her about Wakanda too, so it’s likely she knew who killed him and was pissed as shit also.
I think that’s why it threw T’Challa for such a loop - to be confronted with the fact that his very loving and compassionate father just fucking corked his own little brother and left his nephew in a blighted shithole with absolutely no qualms or anyone second-guessing him.
Murphy legitimately carried Beverly Hills Cop (and the sequels of much lesser quality) where John Ashton and Judge Reinhold were actually sidekicks, and Reinhold actually being comic relief. (In fact, pretty much all of the white actors are treated as either being pretty inept or villains, and Murphy makes fun of the token black cop who speaks and acts ‘too white’.) There is no question that it was the movie to see of the 1984 Christmas film season. Pryor did do a number of films with Gene Wilder but also carried several on his own, with ‘name above the title’ as the draw. The success and quality of those films varied, but up until the point that cocaine really took over his life he was a serious star.
On the other hand, in the 'Eighties, the closest we get to a primary black action star who is not from a comic background is Billy Dee Williams or Carl Weathers, and the films they headlined were of low budget and promoted as pretty much exclusively ‘black films’ seen by a minority audience. Sure, you have costars like Danny Glover or Keith David, but Hollywood decided that the 18-45 white male demographic which was considered the prime element to appeal to for adult movies wouldn’t go see a film headlined by a black actor. And now we have a superhero movie with a predominately black cast, set in Africa and with distinct African cultural elements, which is a massive success across demographics. So…it seems like the entertainment industry has been missing out an a big source of revenue from an audience that is massively underserved.
Stranger
Ahhh…I was thinking 48 Hrs.
There’s no reason to believe any of the people who first assumed that the Asgardians were gods ever saw Heimdall - he doesn’t spend a lot of time OFF Asgard until Loki took over. Or that they originally claimed he was white.
And the fact that the people who deify them believed they looked like them doesn’t mean they did. For over a millennium, the default depiction of Jesus was of a very white dude.
Now that’s fan-wanking. 
If we assume that Norse mythology is as disassociated from the reference material as Christianity, Heimdall could have five arms and be purple with pink stripes. Anyway, Idris Elba is never wrong in any role; it’s just that people don’t seem to know how to make proper use of him.
Stranger
I always liked Pier Paolo Pasolini’s scuzzy-looking Che Guevara-type Jesus from The Gospel According to St. Matthew.
You take them both. Yes, it was complicated. It was unbelievably fucked up to leave family behind like that, especially where they left them.