You mean the 3 million folks who got their citizenship through amnesty in the 1980’s? Or do you mean the millions more that got their citizenship because they were family members of citizens that got their citizenship through the amnesty in the 1980’s? What percentage of the hispanic population in Arizona do you think would qualify as immigration hawks?
Wait, I posted post 125, I don’t remember blowing a dog whistle.
Damn it! I’ve been previewing like crazy to catch spelling and coding errors and totally missed that one. First I meant to write whatever the current post number was at the time of posting which I think was somewhere around 165. (in other words it should have been read as 1/165) At the time I thought it important not to ID the particular post to which I was referring as I was more curious on how Magiver would react to it rather than it’s actual content.
Huh? I thought was confused by your previous post. Now more so. I think you’re being too cute by half. Now you’re saying you wanted Magiver’s reaction to a post while intentionally not indicating which post?
I don’t care that much, really. But just thought I’d let you know that I’ve been unable to follow you, dog whistle and all.
No. Well, maybe a teensy-weensy bit. Being fat has no bearing on the veracity or clear-headedness of ones debate position. Being a racist does.
Hey, going back to the 80s and ignoring all of the legal immigrants who have come here since then. And what do you mean by “immigration hawks”?
Yeah you kinda got me confused as well. Why not let the cat out of the bag?
It doesn’t matter anyway. But as an exercise for the reader: I was more curious if Magiver was honest in his desire to know why blacks don’t GOP, or was he here to win a debate on whether we can prove whether some republicans have engaged in racist behavior (like blowing dog whistles) that encourages racists to feel at home in the GOP . As I was previewing, I noticed a post where a poster clearly engaged in what I would call a dog whistle. I’m pretty sure I’m not the only poster who knows which poster and what post. The ID of the poster and content of the post was unimportant to me, I was merely curious on whether Magiver would even acknowledge it occurred. Now that last thing was of very important as it is an element of the larger point I was making. That is why in a subsequent post I turned it into a thought experiment.
Now a moment about the larger point I was making. Every post to Magiver has been about one thing. You do your position a huge disservice when you fail to acknowledge that the republicans campaign in a manner that comes off as racists, or appealing to racists elements. Since I’m sure yet one more person will insist that I’m being vague or cute somehow, here is a visual aid: Now for this experiment Imagine I’m Brian and Magiver is Kevin. Magiver, this is how I (and speaking on behalf of othr black people I know) perceive your argument
Now is everyone clear? Christ I hate you pedantic mofos sometimes
We let in about 175,000 legal immigrants from mexico every year, many of them are coming here on family visas. How much you want to bet that at least half the 175,000 Mexican immigrants got into this country because of someone who was granted amnesty in the 1980’s?
My point is that it is hypocritical to criticize illegal immigration when so much of your community came here through illegal immigration, of course if you are talking about the Mexicans that don’t really hang out with Mexicans and attend Republican rallies then I guess you are correct but what percentage of Mexicans do you think that covers?
I mean someone who feels about illegal immigration the way the Arizona state legislature Republicans seem to feel about illegal immigration. The ones that you claim agree with these stupid laws they have (or want to have) in Arizona.
Hrmm, good point. But it still doesn’t make it untrue. And as an aside, I know a few very clearheaded racists, they were raised as racists and rather than reject the racism of their parents, they held onto their traditions and even figured out ways to reconcile their racism with modern society (books like the bell curve really helped them out).
I’m a little puzzled by your point here. Since your older friend works in a district that is still poor, wouldn’t she expect the young girls to have the same need for information on how to get family aid money? The poverty has not gone away.
Usually the students know to go to the Guidance Office for this information. But often hospitals have an office for providing info in getting assistance, so perhaps it is normal to expect the medical personnel to be informed. School is a very common way for students to get information.
I don’t know if Aid to Dependent Children is still available. I have been out of the system for a long time.
Teachers often just cut through the red tape and provide little things that are needed like a book bag or a coat. But family aid is something else.
I’m a poor guesser.
That’s not hypocritical at all. Hypocritical is an illegal immigrant against other illegal immigrants.
Again, bad at guessing.
Let me ask you something. I’m assuming that like some others on the board, you classify anti-illegal immigration into three main categories
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[li]Racist whites and no whites.[/li][li]Hypocritical whites and non whites.[/li][li]Racist and hypocritical whites and non whites.[/li][/ol]
Is that a correct assumption?
But, you do concede that most of todays legal immigrants coming to the states today are coming by virtue of the fact that someone was once an illegal immigrant in the 1980’s.
Well I don’t know what you call it when you want to shut the door of opprtunity behind you. The reason I brought up Asians and affirmative action is that there once was a time when Asians made up miniscule percentages of top schools and then affirmative action gave them the opening they needed and now they are overrepresented in top schools. Now affirmative action works against them as they have to do BETTER than their white counterparts in order to get into good schools. So now that they have their foot in the door they want to stop affirmative action despite the fact that we continue to see progress in minority enrollment for other minorities. What do you call that? Maybe hypocrisy is not the right word.
No, I an anti-illegal immigration and I try not to be racist (or white for that matter). We simply cannot absorb everyone that wants to come to this country but I think there is certainly an element of racism in a lot of the anti-immigrant sentiment you see these days.
I don’t know, but 20 some odd years is a long time and I’m leaning more towards more legal immigrants coming here that have nothing to do with the 80’s amnesty. Please keep in mind too that I’m talking all legal immigration, not just South American immigration.
From what you have described if it is working against them, then of course they’ll be against it. If it’s helping them and they’re against it then I’d see it as hypocrisy. If it’s working against them and they’re against it then I see it as looking out for their own self interest.
Of course there are racists among the anti-immigration movement. I just don’t think it’s the majority of us. Maybe I’m naive but that’s my belief.
ETA: I shouldn’t have said movement, because I’m not part of any movement. Substitute sentiment instead.
Technically, AFDC (Aid to Families with Dependent Children) is now TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families), as of the 1996 welfare reform bill.
So not even conceding that huh?
Being against it when it is helping them is not hypocrisy, that is… something else. What do you call it when you take adtavantage of Affirmative Action and then cry about how unfair it is when it stops working in your favor?
Yeah but they’re the ones that seem to be getting all the airtime and sterring the wheel when you propose racist (IMO) laws like they are proposing in Arizona and a lot of folks seem to be OK with it.
And as of a few months ago, food stamps are no longer food stamps, but SNAP (Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program). Which makes some sense since they haven’t actually been food stamps for years.
I still remember when they went from actual stamps to debit cards, some folks thought that it was a bad idea because it removed the stigma. :smack:
Some folks would be happy if the poor, especially the brown ones, only ate dogfood.
:rolleyes:
What’s wrong with cat food?