BLAHBLAHGingerBLAHBLAHBLAHGinger: a week's worth of questions later

A week ago, we adopted Ginger, a 6yro lab/shepherd mix who literally had been on the vet’s table, paw shaved for euthanasia. The vet refused to put her down as she was healthy and happy, so she was placed with a rescue group. Things are going well, with one significant exception: sleep.

Ginger has a metal crate. On her first night with us, we put the crate in our bedroom and she slept in there. She was silent the entire night. Repeat the second night. Sweet! …Third night, however, she begins whining. Then barking. Screw that–we have two small children, so we get enough sleep deprivation as it is, and we don’t want her waking them. So, we move the crate to hubby’s office (where our previous dog had slept). Poor girl barked and whined for maybe 40min, but eventually slept. Second night, she barked about 15min before eventually quieting. Progress! Until we woke up and saw she had somehow taken the handle off the top of the crate, and broken the plastic tray on the bottom of the crate into three large chunks. Still, it held her, so the next night we removed the tray and put her to bed. THat night, she barked and whined only 10min or so, and all was good. We thought.

Then came Friday night. Somehow, this 60lb dog bent the living crap out of her crate–enough to escape it–then somehow opened the sliding pocket door to the office and had free rein to the rest of the house. She ate all the cats’ food, cleaned (uggghh) the litter box, and at one point did her WOOFWOOFWOOF! thing giving chase to one of them. (The bigger cat is not afraid of her–most likely, he provoked her because he can.) We didn’t realize this until the next morning. 6’4" hubby needed pliers and a significant amount of upper body strength to return her crate to a functional shape–he repeatedly made his shock at her strength known.

Soooooo, last night we put the reshapened crate in our bedroom, this time with the door open. Maybe she’ll sleep in there. Nope. She went in for her treat, flopped down looking worried (and confused by the open door). Tail wagging, she trotted out then flopped down on the floor next to me and slept there. Well, fine, that’ll work. She just didn’t stay there, of course. Hubby was up more than once telling her to lie down as she walked around, tags jingling, sniffing and searching away.

4am, our harassing cats were playing the paws-under-the-door game, which set off Ginger’s big dog WOOFWOOFWOOF! Gahhhhhh. Once our hearts were back in our chests, we corrected the dog and shut the master bathroom door so the kitties could not tease the doggie.

Soooooo…now we’re at a loss when it comes to her sleeping arrangements. She can destroy her metal crate enough to get out of it. It’s too chilly to put her arthritic hips outside at night, not to mention a bit sad to separate her from her new pack like that. Any suggestions?? Only idea I have is to keep her in our bedroom, again, just closing off any access to kitties. Well, or we could let her run loose in the other wing of the house, shutting doors to the bedroom wing. This means kitties sleep with us, and also means kitties will likely put their paws under the doors at her again. Oof.

Another question: when I’m rubbing her belly or chest, she sometimes starts this strange growl-like sound. Her mouth is open and teeth visible when she makes it, but her lips aren’t curled and her body isn’t stiff. It seems like she’s wanting to play, but I’m not 100% certain it’s that and not some sort of discomfort or warning. Her previous owner said something about her making a sound they called her “purr” that seemed like a growl–that seems to be what this is, I’m just unsure what the sound is and what it means.

And now, I’m going to attempt a nap or something. Here’s hoping for no **WOOFWOOFWOOF! **startling me awake.

Is she new to a crate? If she’s six and has never been crated, maybe that’s the problem.

I think she wants to protect you. Can she sleep in your room, or just outside your door? Give her a blankie, a couple chew toys and see what happens.

Our Sadie sleeps nearby, sleeps all night (8-10 hours), and if she roams, she’s quiet about it. Boomer was the same way. Neither were crated.

I’m sorry, but thank you for sharing as I have been laughing at the image of the dogs and kitties antagonizing each other. And the litter box ‘cleaning’, ugh! :stuck_out_tongue:
here’s to hoping she settles down a little, b ut really, it doesn’t sound like it’s been very long yet. You might just have to break her in, so try to break her to what YOU want her to do, so if it takes, you’ll both be happy.

/paw under door

:stuck_out_tongue:

She probably just needs time to settle into her new surroundings and routine. It’s all still new to her, after all.

Does she have any cushioning to lay on? I know her hips don’t bother her in the general way but maybe laying on the cage floor or bedroom floor creates pressure points. You can buy orthopedic foam beds for dogs with hip trouble, or maybe she’d like something cozier. For example

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3307+1+8702&pcatid=8702

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3307+1+22268&pcatid=22268

An electric, heated bed, might feel good on those bones:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3307+1+15236&pcatid=15236

Oh, the purring - my dog does that sometimes when I rub his belly. He sounds like a little motorboat. He’s always really relaxed when he does it. I think it just means he’s happy and humming to himself.

Thanks for the insight, Dopers. :slight_smile: Auntie Pam, she isn’t new to the crate per se–but apparently, new to sleeping all night in it. I think sleeping in the room with us will work, eventually. We just all need to get used to each other–and block kitty access.

Glad to amuse Taomist…heck, I have to keep my sense of humor in these things. I have a feeling Big Bad Kitty is keeping his, too. Heh.

Merneith, I hadn’t considered the pressure points on the joints being an issue–excellent insight. I bet a big comfy bed would be a big help indeed. I almost bought one at Target today, too, but I wasn’t sure. I’ll look into what is nice and soft and hip dysplasia-friendly. Tonight I’ll set out something nice and cushiony for her to curl up on.

/WOOFWOOFWOOF!

This is the problem with rescues - you don’t really know anything about their past and there is no one to support you when (not if) you have issues.

It sounds to me like Ginger was sent to the vet for the one way trip because she is high energy and her original owners didn’t want to deal with it. But if her hips are actually bad, to the point she can’t really exercise, I’m not sure how you are going to deal with this. Is there any place nearby where she can go swimming? Can she play a game of fetch without pain? Go on a long walk?

There are things you can buy to keep tags from jingling, or you can just tape them together. Hopefully, as she relaxes in your home, she will cut down on the night time wanderings, but until then if you silence the tags maybe you’ll be able to sleep thru it!

Did you really name her after this cartoon?

Doggie downers.

That’s just the start of a vicious cycle: Doggie downers at night, Puppy uppers in the morning, and the next thing you know, your dog is Elvis with fur.

Curlcoat, she isn’t really a high energy dog at all. 90% of the time, she just wants to be at our feet, snoozing. We take her on walks, she plays tug-of-war outside, all that good stuff, but she is quiet. She just, apparently, did NOT want to be in that crate overnight. Wowzers. Thankfully, with this rescue, I have contact with the owner and aim to email her just to see what Ginger was used to.

Last night, she slept at my side without any WOOFWOOFWOOF! interruption from the kitties. I’m thinking a doggie bed by our bed is in order.

masonite, we didn’t name her after that–she already came named. But, hubby and I are constantly referencing that cartoon just because it’s amuses us our dog is, in fact, named Ginger. Blah blah blah.

Elfkin, Elvis with fur would be awesome, kinda!

To save my sanity since I’m a light sleeper we have a bed time routine that includes removing the dogs collars and laying them on the nightstand. When they get up to scratch an itch in the middle of the night I don’t wake up anymore!

Ruffian, when I adopted Toby (1.5 year old mutt at the time) I had him in the crate at night, in my room. He wasn’t a fan at all - he was noisy for 30-45 minutes at a time and would finally fall asleep. The first couple nights he’d wake up a few hours later and really flip out. Turns out, his bathroom schedule was all out of whack and just needed to go to the bathroom! Since we were still working on a few house training issues, I was more than happy to take him out for a quick walk.

Odds are really low that that’s Ginger’s issue (Toby came from the streets and wasn’t used to the whole “inside” thing), but it was a really simple solution (get him on schedule) - so I hope that’s it!

Relatedly, she may just be waking up and be getting anxious she’s been separated from her pack. I’d be hesitant to coddle her too much when she acts up in her crate (“Oh, you’re making a lot of noise and trouble at 2am - good job!!”), but letting her know you’re still aware of her and she’s fine might be the trick.

Not every rescue dog has issues. If there are issues it is just as likely that the owner wasn’t ready for dog ownership. Dogs like that thrive in a very short amount of time with a well suited owner.

Elucidating Update

I got a hold of the previous owner with my questions. It turned out Ginger slept for about 5 years in the bedroom with them, but once her baby was born, Ginger slept in her crate in the garage ( :frowning: ). However, spending a month at the shelter, locked in a cage all the time, seems to have made her neurotic about being in her crate. The previous owner said that since coming back, the barking when crated started. Apparently, the time spent at the shelter (which, again, did not go well for her) has created a bit of a complex about the crate. Poor dear!

I bought a dog bed for her yesterday, and as you can see, she loves it (and her new toy). Since we keep the bathroom door shut, there is no more WOOFWOOFWOOF! drama with the cats, and she typically sleeps contentedly on the floor next to me in her new bed.

As for her growl, that is indeed the “purr” the previous owner was talking about. It’s her happy play-growl sound, but since she’s such a big dog, it sounds scary. Heh.

She also met the horse the other day. She did NOT know what to make of her–there was lots of whining, whimpering, and cowering, but also a fair amount of three steps forward, two steps back as she wanted to come say hi. My mare totally ignored the dog and grazed a few feet in front of her, but when she blew her nostrils out (completely normal when a horse is eating), Ginger about jumped out of her skin. Poor puppy!

I had that Far Side cartoon on my fridge for years. I vowed when I got another dog, I would name her Blah Blah Blah Ginger. (I never have gotten another one though.)

Also, when I think of Elvis, I think of him with fur anyway! :stuck_out_tongue:

Glad things are going better! It’s great you were able to contact the former owner; certainly takes some of the guesswork out of things. Ginger looks like she certainly loves that bed!

Most pets seem to be a lot happier if they have a cozy spot to lounge in. My brother had to sacrifice his sleeping bag to his greyhounds (greyhounds are champion loungers). My parents put down a couple of hand towels for their Maltese trio (Maltese are also good at lounging, they just take up less space). And my husband and I have some fleece baby blankets around the house for our cats.

Ginger seems to know that the bed is hers.