He was also Will’s boyfriend, the cop, on Will and Grace.
I thought Richard was getting revenge for Angela, especially with the way his story line had gone so far in the episode in dealing with Tommy and Gillian.
Yes. Yes. Yes.
I think you are exactly correct.
Richard killed Manny because he killed Angela. Not because he killed Jimmy.
With any luck, we may soon get to see Richard exact revenge on someone who he feels is responsible for killing Jimmy. Who he chooses will likely depend on who he feels is responsible as well as who he feels would make a good victim. He would likely choose someone who he can get away with the murder and not just the person he thinks is most guilty. So, that probably will not be Nucky, although he may well assasinate Nucky at some later date.
Oh, wait. I guess he can’t because in the true story, Nucky does not die that way.
Oh, darn!
I’m glad that Eli asked the same question that I’ve been asking myself for almost two full seasons now. Namely, how the hell is Mickey Doyle still alive?
Hahahahaha. Yeah. I was wondering that about Mickey Doyle too. Even watching him is annoying, let alone dealing with him. Unboxed spoilers for the previous two seasons ahead, be warned.
It’s a credit to the show that I am still watching, because I’ve never found Nucky all that interesting and Jimmy was my favourite character. Reasons I stuck around: Richard, Chalky’s household, Tommy, and Eddie. Maybe in that order.
I was a little worried, due to the tone of the show, that they’d find some way to retroactively wreck Jimmy and Richard’s friendship (which would probably knock out most of my enjoyment of the 3rd season for some reason). Terence Winter was interviewed last season saying he doesn’t think Richard necessarily feels Jimmy’s death needs to be avenged.
I’m glad they didn’t do that. Seems more like the reason he doesn’t feel the need to avenge Jimmy is because Jimmy went willingly. Good enough for me.
I’m not too keen on Rosetti. He’s decently okay to watch on screen in terms of mayhem etc (the sort of thing which is one of this show’s strong points) but he’s getting really… repetitive and over the top very fast. Ah well. If I can put up with Nucky, I can put up with him.
They should have run with the Jimmy-Nucky and Jimmy-Gillian tension for another season. That was starting to get old, true, but anything is better than Gyp Rosetti and the who-gives-a-shit mistress Nucky has hooked up with.
Gyp is so hammy and completely boring. Oh he burned someone to death at a gas station pump? Yawn. I don’t know how Bobby Canavale managed to make torching a cop to death so dull.
I like the show, but they really need to try something other then “Nuky vs a self-destructive phychopath” plotlines. This is like the fourth or fifth one, and a) its getting old and b) there isn’t really much drama to it, since it basically boils down to a guy that’s smart and in control against a bunch of guys that aren’t that smart and basically don’t even need defeating as they eventually self-destruct anyways. The only real worthy opponent Nucky has had was the female prosecutor.
Gyp is almost a spoof of these past villains, being both: really psychopathic and really dumb. He’s sort of amusing (I liked watching him walk around town going over-the-top in menacing everybody) but he has no chance of getting the best of Nuky. Its hard to believe he’s even going to survive the next episode after lighting fire to the cop, so Nuky won’t even need to do anything to take care of him.
Yeah, I’m not enjoying the central conflict much. Rosetti is just so bland compared to the rest of the cast as a whole.
If you ask me they actually picked the wrong main character. And I don’t mean Jimmy as an alternative, I mean damn near anyone but Nucky. I just have not, since the very beginning, been able to feel an ounce of sympathy for the guy, nor is he complex, violent, anything to hold my interest. He’s no fun.
Is it my pro-Jimmy bias that makes his combination of remarkable incompetence and shit luck in the second half of season 2 seem really contrived? I don’t think, based on season 1, he was actually meant to be that goofy. But they needed Nucky to live so they had to pass him the Idiot Ball. They totally could have stretched that conflict another season if they’d thought it through.
But really, I am thinking they should have had maybe Rothstein take Jimmy’s place as a villain this season. Or, again, anyone but Rosetti. If they’d picked a better protagonist, they might have picked a better antagonist.
Rosetti’s a little too nuts. I mean, he’s willing to kill people over trivial perceived insults - how did he get a position in organized crime without getting angry at someone whose death would be readily avenged?
What was the point of Richard taking Mickey Doyle to Nucky at gunpoint? It seemed like maybe he was going to use Mickey’s boasting about killing Manny Horvitz as a means to cover the fact that he had in fact done it. But then he freely admitted to Nucky that he was the one that killed Horvitz and let Mickey go.
Maybe he just doesn’t like Mickey Doyle. I can certainly sympathize.
I’m pretty sure we were meant to understand that Richard was worried that Nucky had already decided Mickey was the culprate (after all, presumably if Richard had head the rumour, the better connected Nucky heard it to), that Nucky was planning on killing Mickey, and that he wouldn’t believe Richard was the killer without it being obvious Mickey wasn’t. Hence all the dialogue with Richard being really specific about when and where he killed Manny.
Agree they could’ve made it a little more explicit though.
That’s better than what I thought. I assumed that Richard Harrow was annoyed that someone else was taking credit for his hit.
In listening to the show runner explain a few things, I believe it was very intentional that they laid it on so thick re Rosetti.
Apparently, they want to show his nature in that when other people accept events as just “come what may”, Rosetti believes they are terrible insults that must be avenged to the death.
Very strange! But this could make for some wonderful drama. And I’m hoping it will!
AAMOF, it seems to have done that last night. Near the end of the show, apparently, Rosetti just went ballistic when someone said something harmless to him such as, “Good luck”. I think it was “Good luck”. This can make for some excellent drama. Just imagine. You wish someone, “Good luck” as an ordinary parting and they seem to believe that you have delivered a verbal mortal blow to them. Just amazing!
That is so funny!
It’s funny because I cannot imagine how anyone could be as stupid as Mickey to remain oblivious to the fact that Richard was saving his life. It reminds me of the ending to the movie, “Full Metal Jacket” in which the surviving soldiers sang the song:
Who’s the leader of the club,
That’s made for you and me?
M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E!
Hey there! Hi there! Ho there!
Your as welcome as can be,
M-I-C-K-E-Y M-O-U-S-E!
[ Lyrics from: Mickey Mouse - Mickey Mouse Club lyrics | LyricsFreak ]
I find Rossetti hilarious!
I mean, common! "Bona Fortuna! Who the F is he to say that to ME?!
You could hand the guy some roses and he’d kill you 'cause they were the 11 instead of 12. “Who the F are you to give me 11 roses!? Where is 12th rose? What does that even mean?! Are you trying to say I’m one rose short of a bouquet?” BANG!
Rossetti wasn’t angry that the message was Bona Fortuna, because it wasn’t. It was Bone For Tuna. The title of the episode. This time Rossetti had it right. Nucky was mocking him.
Really? I completely bought that it was the Irish guy’s simple of way or remembering the pronunciation.
I gotta watch that again. I was admittedly laughing my ass off 'cause I thought he was flying off the handle again over some perceived insult that only existed in his head.
If Nucky had written the note I’d say he was mocking him. No evidence of that, however.
if we can back up for a moment here I would appreciate it? I can’t find the scene where nucky finds out Margaret signed the land over to the church? I thought I had ever episode, but when I watched the season opener and then the “bone for tuna” episode, I realize that I haven’t seen the part where he finds out.