Hybrid cars exist. You don’t have to go fully electric. I have a 2021 Prius that can either be fully electric or as a hybrid. I put gas in it every few months. If you don’t want to change, that’s cool. No one is holding a gun to your head (I hope.) But there are options.
If they are not charging for charging. But, I expect most will also charge for charging, so double the economic incentive. And I didn’t use “fee” here because I think the “charge for charging” should make sense. 
Yes, yes, yes! I watched that video and shook my head at his description, and I like Doug. I moved from a Subaru to a Tesla MY and do you think I find this new car boring? Fuck NO! Even on Chill Mode, it severely outperforms our Subie. Before I had to plan out passes, turn off AC, and then floor and pray. Not now.
Turn Chill Mode off and everyone I’ve taken for a test drive, bar none, says holy shit or some other version when they push the pedal down. My wife doesn’t want to be in the car for those runs because it is disturbing to her. I’m sure she would absolutely hate ludicrous mode on an S. I have motos that do similar times and she will not ride with me if I do those speed trials.
If you’re traveling I-95 or between LA & SF, sure. If your long distance drives are thru rural areas, where two stoplights is a big town & even that’s 5 or 10 miles, minimum, off the interstate like a lot of my long drives are I would want to put a lot of extra charge in because there’s not another charger around the corner if that one is occupied or broken/offline or otherwise unavailable. There’s a Porsche dealer I semi-regularly pass on my way out of town; they have a two-stall EV charge station right by the road side of their lot that more often than not has at least one of those spaces with inventory, & the majority of times I go past them they are not open so you can’t just ask them to move the parked car as there’s no one there to ask because there’s no one there, period. You can’t just pull off the highway, fill up, & back on the road like you can with an ICE car yet. Will the charging infrastructure get there? Sure, but it’s not there yet, especially in flyoverland.
Where I’m driving to to watch the eclipse in a couple of weeks I expect to not even have cell coverage for significant portions of the drive because it’s so rural (& partially mountainous)
I’ve seen people here on the Dope state that, but I just don’t get that mentality at all. The last thing I want to do in the middle of a long drive is to get out of my car to go sit in a restaurant in virtually the same position I’ve just been in for the past couple of hours. Depending upon what I’m eating, I might very well get back in the car & eat it on the go. Anything messier I’ll take the just enough time to wolf it down before getting going again but that’s going to be some fast food or fast casual (ie. Panera). GTFO & get to my destination where I can really stretch the legs out.
I disagree. There’s a huge difference between driver sitting and restaurant sitting, where I can stretch and shift my legs any which way. Plus, curly fries!
And how many cars have a bathroom in them? That alone is worth stopping.
I actually charge at two grocery stores that have a place to sit down, though the best for me is a movie theater nearby in a retail area with many charging spots. I plug in a my car, watch a movie and come back to my fully charged PHEV. If I am lucky it is one of the spots right in front of the theater, so even better than driving my ICE car and parking further away.
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The best curly fries are from Arby’s. Fast food, quick & back on the road in < 15 mins
But, then you still have to fuel your car.
I used to think an EV would take so much more time until I read up, played with trip planners, and ultimately bought one. On our standard 400 mile each way trip we take multiple times per year, it is quicker with the EV because we start each way with a full tank and only need to charge once. With the Subaru, we had to fuel up before we left, once on the way there, again before we left, and once on the way back. Our one 30 minute stop to charge allows us to eat, walk the dog, use the restroom and get coffee.
I can see that driving to Cali will take longer, but we are old enough we don’t want to do those all day 13-14 hour driving trips and would rather spend the night along the way in Hood River or Bend.
Then if you need to charge your car in my parking lot, what are you going to do for a half-an-hour?
Nothing wrong with hybrids for people who want one. I’ll confess that one of the main incentives for going electric AFAIAC is that it takes a lot of moving parts to have that ICE power plant that converts gasoline into motion, with a lot of maintenance that EVs don’t require, and a lot of opportunities for things to need repair or replacement that EVs don’t have, like the starter in my wife’s car that needed to be replaced the other day.
My wife’s car is a 2009 Accord, and I figure we can keep it going another few years while the EV options improve, and hopefully we can skip the hybrid step altogether.
The point is that if the changes necessary require people to evangelize about how they’re different and better where they differ, they’re not quite there yet as a fully realized product.
Explain how charging is not like refueling. Both are a process that culminates in a certain amount of stored energy being transferred into your vehicle which gives you a specific range. Whether that’s electricity flowing into a battery or fuel going into a tank is irrelevant for the driver’s purposes.
When refueling, most people fill to full. The main reason not to is if you don’t have the funds. You cannot refuel while sleeping.
When recharging, most people do not charge to the maximum. The main reason to do so is if there’s a long segment upcoming. You often recharge while sleeping.
Also, as I explained right above, for us an EV saves time on a standard longer trip we take multiple times per year. Two stops to charge instead of four for fueling.
Not an EV owner but an electric vehicle can be refueled/recharged at home but most people don’t have a continuous supply of gasoline at home.
How many miles of driving can you get out of an overnight charge at 120V?
I mean, for me a plug-in hybrid would be absolutely ideal. 90% of my driving would be accomplished using the battery as long as it provides about a 50-60 mile battery range, and I can fully recharge that every night. But longer trips would use the gas engine and have the refueling flexibility that goes with it.
If I’m reading your first post right, that speaks more to a greater unrecharged range of your EV than your gas vehicle, not some inherent property of EVs.
Look at it this way- if you’ve got an EV with a 400 mile range, and a ICE car with a 400 mile range, that’s functionally equivalent. Let’s say you want to keep a 100 mile reserve and your cars tell you how many miles you’ve got left (I think they all do nowadays). Either way, when you get to that point, you either have to recharge or refuel. I’m not seeing where EVs beat out ICE cars when you get to that point- you can put 1 mile of gas or electricity in, or you can put 300.
The question to me at that point is about how long it takes to put the equivalent amount of “miles” into the vehicle, and if you’ve got to go out of your way to do so.
Again, I’m not an EV owner, but Googling, you can get five miles of range in an hour of charging at 120V. That sounds like you can get your sixty miles of range in about twelve hours.
Is bob still posting or dud we drive him away?
I’m giving you a real use example of where an EV has an advantage for us. For our nearly 400 mile each way trip, I need to fuel the ICE four times: Once before we leave, once along the way, once before we leave, and once along the way back. In theory, if we didn’t drive once we get there, we might be able to do it with only 3 fuel-ups, but we always drive some while there. With our EV, it is two stops for charging since we leave with a full enough battery and we leave the remote destination again with a full enough battery.
As I said, for longer trips, this wouldn’t be true, but this 400 mile each way trip is our primary long-distance driving beyond our nearly every weekend trip to trailheads which can all be done without a charging along the way.
I am the owner of two EVs. I’m more cautious and expect about 4mph from a level-1 charger (that’s the 120V). But if you’re low, you’ll get more.
A level-2 charger (220V at home or a “destination” charger) is typically 25mph. And the level-3 “super” charger is from 300mph at 50% charge to 700mph at 20%.
That really fast charge speed (about 10 miles per minute) is why you stop every two hours to charge for 10 minutes.
If range is an issue for someone, then when looking to buy a car, they shouldn’t be comparing EVs that have good range to other cars that have bad range: that’s not apples to apples. A new Prius is cheaper than EVs with good range and can make the trip with only 2 refuels.
Plus if I had an EV and made the trip it could require 3 refuels, because I would have to make an extra trip to a recharging station to make sure I started with an adequate amount of juice.