So, the walls of your house are there merely to keep the wind out? Then the locks on your doors are there to…?
That kind of arrogant rhetoric is what makes Americans so loved in the world.
Oh c’mon. It’s not like Mexico’s business is Mexico’s business and the US’s business is the US’s business.
Mexico’s business is our business because Mexican’s population to the tune of at least 500K/year want to move here and suck up our social services.
Does the world love us? Well, I’m not sure we give a crap right now whether the world loves us.
What a load of BS. The US engages in heavy-handed diplomacy in Canada whenever liberalizing marijuana laws comes up in the House, too. Apparently the US’s business is hers alone, but everyone else’s business is the US’s business too (or at least it seems that way at times). What on earth does illegal immigration from Mexico have to do with American interests in Mexico’s drug laws, anyways?
Hell I thought the whole world’s business is your business. Imperialism doesn’t stop at your southern border.
We’re veering off topic but I don’t think Mexican drugs get into the US via little balloons dropped off the International Space Station as it flies overhead.
Actually I thought Mexico’s recent experiment with new drug laws had some promise. Worth trying anyway. I was a bit disappointed at how quickly the US gov shut it down.
But does that make the US a total dick? Does it make Mexico a pussy? Both?
Nonsense; they pay for our social services. They don’t get social security or innumerable other services, yet pay the taxes for them. Assuming we do manage to largely eliminate illegal immigration, I expect a noticable hit to the government’s finances and economy.
The point is just that if the US is going to take the attitude that this is an American affair and it can do whatever it wants with no concern for how others feel about it (i.e., “If Mexicans don’t like it, tough shit. They don’t get a say in how we run our internal affairs.”) then it doesn’t get to turn around and demand cooperation on an internal affair in another country just because that internal affair might have some spillover effect in the US. I believe that’s all CBEscapee was saying. American relations with other countries tend to be rife with this sort of hypocracy - not that other countries aren’t nearly as bad, but the US is particularly brazen about it. Most other countries are at least a bit embarrassed when they behave like this and don’t go around shouting, “Don’t like it? Tough shit!”
Now that’s just nonsense. If they paid for our social services we’d be shipping them in by the boat load. We’ve got a generation or two who need their social services paid for.
Which is still the case. So what has been tightened?
I’m OK with that. Fox could have told us to go jump in the lake. Why didn’t he? Why didn’t you guys demand that he do that?
We don’t need to; they bring themselves, of course. That’s why the only “anti-illegal-immigrant” measures you tend to see are ones that won’t work; few people in any authority want to slow illegal immigration. Cheap labor and taxes without benefits are too appealing. This sort of nonsense is simply pandering to America’s deep seated racism, nothing more.
What makes you think they haven’t, or overpaid for what little they get, for that matter ?
Would that work just like the time that California told the federal government to go jump in a lake over medical marijuana?
Many here asked the same question. Just as in the US it is hard to overcome a presidential veto.
Why did the US complain about a Mexican internal affair?
Generally good neighbors don’t unilaterally adopt positions that harm or offend their neighbors. They usually listen to the other’s concerns and if possible do something to alleve them or lesson their impact. This provides for good relationships and bodes well for dealing with disputes in the future.
US immigration policy has a direct affect on Mexico. Mexico’s drug policy has a direct affect on the US. Each has a right to do as they please within their own country but acting unilaterally can sometimes be counterproductive.
IIRC, the poster I was responding to is a citizen and resident of Mexico. If I got that wrong, then I’ll withdraw the statement.
Let me remind you once again that I don’t think the fence will work, and so I don’t support it. But if it would work, why should we care if you guys are offended? I mean, really, why should we care? In fact, why should you be offended by the fact that you can’t sneak into another country?
The fence shows that the US is unwilling to negotiate a bilateral agreement to deal with a common problem,immigration. Mexico has asked to negotiate a policy that will reduce illegal immigration. Something like a guest worker program etc. to make it legal for people to work in the US. There is a demand for labor afterall. It is seen as a big “FUCK YOU” to us.
Why should we care that illegal drugs cross the border? If we were to legalize all drugs how would that go over with the US? The whole economic and military might of your country would be used to force a change in policy.
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The fence shows that the US is unwilling to negotiate a bilateral agreement to deal with a common problem,immigration. Mexico has asked to negotiate a policy that will reduce illegal immigration. Something like a guest worker program etc. to make it legal for people to work in the US. There is a demand for labor afterall. It is seen as a big “FUCK YOU” to us.
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The problem is not “immigration”. The problem is people coming here illegally. It’s only a FUCK YOU to the people who want to come here illegally. The gate is always open to those coming here legally.
Economic might works both ways, and Mexico is one of our largest trading partners. As for military might, I disagree. The US isn’t going to invade Mexico if you guys decide to legalize drugs.
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The fence shows that the US is unwilling to negotiate a bilateral agreement to deal with a common problem,immigration. Mexico has asked to negotiate a policy that will reduce illegal immigration. Something like a guest worker program etc. to make it legal for people to work in the US. There is a demand for labor afterall. It is seen as a big “FUCK YOU” to us.
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The problem is not “immigration”. The problem is people coming here illegally. It’s only a FUCK YOU to the people who want to come here illegally. The gate is always open to those coming here legally.
Economic might works both ways, and Mexico is one of our largest trading partners. As for military might, I disagree. The US isn’t going to invade Mexico if you guys decide to legalize drugs.[/QUOTE]
My point is that we feel that the wall is a slap in the face and that immigration can be resolved through negotiations. You yourself feel the wall will be worthless as a deterent and a waste of money. The issue has become so politicized in the US that it looks like no one there is interested in finding a workable solution.
If you’re healthy & of working age, you don’t get social security. So of course they don’t get social security (assuming they’ve got a fake ID & they’re paying into anyway). What innumerable other services? Medical care? They get that free at tax & medical insurance-payer expense and the burden is still large enough hospitals go out of business. What other services? Welfare? Sure, plop out a kid you get welfare.
Any other services all us fat rich Americans enjoy they don’t? Seriously, what innumerable services are they paying for that US citizens enjoy but they don’t?