Botticelli, May 2011

[Elendil_s_Heir]

Been awhile since we’ve played. Da rules: Botticelli (game) - Wikipedia

I’ll start us out. The letter is “H.”

[Inner_Stickler]

Are you male?

[Johnny_L.A]

Has it really been four years since the Botticelli threads? Funny, I’ve been thinking of starting one for months now, but never got to it. Anyway, I thought I’d post the rules Zeldar posted back then:

@Zeldar

Wanna play Botticelli? was started Tuesday morning with one variation to the rules explained in the Wikipedia article Botticelli (game) – which you should read if the game is unfamiliar to you. Our variation was to use TWO initials instead of the ONE mentioned in the article.

In this iteration of the Wikipedia rules, we’ll try to follow these variations until they cause us problems we can’t solve:

1. Please label your Guess as either IQ (Indirect Question) or DQ (Direct Question) so that the Chooser (the Doper who has selected the name all others are trying to guess) can know the type of answer to be given to that guess.

2. The Chooser has these options for answers, depending on whether the Question is Indirect or Direct:

2-I1): If the Chooser knows someone for whom the Guesser’s initials apply – whether or not those initials might apply to the Chooser’s chosen Identity – the Chooser may answer: “No, I am not <the other person for whom the initials work>” and that particular Guesser remains in Indirect Mode.

2-I2): If the Chooser cannot identify someone – (including the Chooser’s chosen Identity) – with the attributes provided by the Guesser, the Chooser may answer “No, and I don’t know who you mean.” which allows that particular Guesser ONE Direct Question. The Guesser should quote the Chooser’s response and label the Direct Question as such, so the Chooser will know the options available for the follow-up question.

2-I3): If the Guesser’s criteria match with the Chooser’s Identity – AND the Chooser is unable to name someone else with those same initials who also matches the criteria – The Chooser must answer “Yes, I am <Identity’s name>” thereby giving that Guesser a win of the game.

2-D): Legitimate answers are “Yes,” “No,” and “I don’t know.” Additional details are permissible but not required. Chooser gives extra information at his/her own risk. The “I don’t know” response allows that Guesser an additional DQ. Again, the Guesser should quote Chooser’s response and label the follow-up as DQ.

3. Whether in response to an IQ or a DQ (in both types of Guesses this will be legal for the Guesser) if the Guess is “Are you <some specific person with the initials in question>?” (as opposed to someone with defined characteristics) the Chooser’s answers must be either “Yes” or “No” and, if “Yes” then the Guesser wins the game.

4. The Chosen Identity – in this particular thread – must be an actual person, dead or alive, but someone who has actually lived.

5. The Indirect Question(s) may refer to real or fictional people, characters or personages in fictional works, but must be Proper Names. Example: if the Chooser’s Identity’s initials are RS, then “rolling stone” or “red snake” or “rotting spinach” would not be legal entities to which Guesser’s attributes apply.

6. Both Guesser and Chooser should quote the post to which he or she is responding. This should avoid much confusion!

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For other fine points not covered in the Wikipedia article, Zeldar will arbitrate any disputed issues in this thread. Those Dopers who wish to select other variations and/or other interpretations of the rules, are urged to start another thread.

I see that this thread uses a single initial, rather than the two-initial variant.

[Dead_Cat]

@Inner_Stickler

Are you male?

BZZT! No direct questions until you stump the OP with an indirect question. I’ll play along:

IQ: Are you a Dutch artist?

Are we going to allow research for finding questions and answers, or not?

[Zeldar]

@Johnny_L.A

Has it really been four years since the Botticelli threads? Funny, I’ve been thinking of starting one for months now, but never got to it. Anyway, I thought I’d post the rules Zeldar posted back then:
I see that this thread uses a single initial, rather than the two-initial variant.

It seems the link to Wanna play Botticelli? that I started 03-13-2007, 11:18 AM, doesn’t work in the above quoted matter.

To clarify, Zeldar will NOT be arbitrating anything in this thread.

[MaxTheVool]

Are you someone who will be sorry, but your tears will be too late?

[Inner_Stickler]

Ok well then I’m confused because I was thinking of a person with that initial. I’m not seeing how my question is different than the are you bald question in wikipedia.

[panamajack]

@Inner_Stickler

Ok well then I’m confused because I was thinking of a person with that initial. I’m not seeing how my question is different than the are you bald question in wikipedia.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with your question. The only difference between DQs and IQs are the answers given. Hence the suggestion to label them.

What is true is that your question’s overly vague and not likely to get anywhere. EH isn’t answering “Yes/No” to it; he only has to come up with any male with the initial H. So, it’s more typical of a DQ than an IQ. The idea for an IQ should be to think of someone that the answer could be, but is obscure enough that the Chooser won’t think of them.
IQ: Are you a Greek mathematician?

[Johnny_L.A]

@Inner_Stickler

Ok well then I’m confused because I was thinking of a person with that initial. I’m not seeing how my question is different than the are you bald question in wikipedia.

‘Are you male?’ is specifically used as a DQ in the article. Personally, I think ‘Are you bald?’ is pretty close to a DQ. The IQ should allow the chooser to assume a specific individual. For example, one name immediately comes to mind from Dead Cat’s IQ, and there is only one person I can think of that applies to MaxTheVool’s IQ. I think ‘Are you bald?’ might be considered a DQ until more clues are gathered, after which it would be an IQ. That’s the way I’d handle it if I were the chooser. ‘Are you male?’ is never an IQ.

[Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela]

IQ: Are you a Greek historian?

[Elendil_s_Heir]

@Dead_Cat

…
IQ: Are you a Dutch artist?

Are we going to allow research for finding questions and answers, or not?

No, I’m not Hans Voljkub.

No, no research. You have to go from your own memory, as do I.

[Elendil_s_Heir]

@MaxTheVool

Are you someone who will be sorry, but your tears will be too late?

You got me. Ask a DQ (which must be yes/no).

[Elendil_s_Heir]

@panamajack

…IQ: Are you a Greek mathematician?

No, I’m not… Herodotus?

[Elendil_s_Heir]

@Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela

IQ: Are you a Greek historian?

No, I’m not Herodotus (again)?

[Elendil_s_Heir]

@Inner_Stickler

Are you male?

I’ll treat this as an IQ. No, I’m not Hercules.

[Inner_Stickler]

Did you write a famous series of books detailing your career as a english country vet?

[Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela]

IQ: Are you a composer of music?

[Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela]

@Elendil_s_Heir

No, I’m not Herodotus (again)?

Herodotus was an historian; I do not know of any mathematical works under his name. This nit is panamajack’s to pick, however; my question was answered fair and square and I can’t think of any Greek mathematicians who begin with ‘H’ off the top of my head…

[Johnny_L.A]

Has it been speculated that you had Parkinson’s Disease (or possibly syphilis), and did you commit suicide?

[panamajack]

@Elendil_s_Heir

No, I’m not… Herodotus?

I did a quick check of Herodotus just to be sure (since he’s already out), but I don’t think he had any mathematical works.

Hero of Alexandria, however, did. (Also known as Heron, as in Heron’s Formula).

So, if it’s a DQ: Were you born before 100 BCE?