Sure. And what criminal actions did the person in the second instance perform? And how do you rate those criminal actions (if any) compared with shooting and killing someone?
I’m speaking from my personal moral code but, yes, to me encouraging someone to kill themselves and egging them on to do it coldly and purposefully is at least an order of magnitude more morally culpable than convincing my friend to shoot me for a stunt on TV. If I managed to convince my friend to shoot me for a Youtube stunt, and I died, I would not blame him; I would blame myself. If I convinced my friend to kill himself, I would feel mostly morally culpable in that situation, not him, even though he’s the one who gassed himself in the end. So far as there is “evil,” I feel there is evil in the latter death, not in the former.
C’est la difference of opinion.
I understand that might be a good idea among lawyers and law makers, but in general message board or real life discussions it tends to distract from the topic at hand.
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It depends. Some people give absurd comparisons and then refuse to let go of them. Other times it does help clarify by contrasting with something else.
Well, if we were speaking of who was more “evil” then yes, I would agree. Being stupid doesn’t make you “evil”. Telling someone to kill themselves would be more “evil”
Monalisa Perez pleads guilty.
Well, that’s something at least. I bet she doesn’t make it through her 10 year probation.
Why? The apparent instigator of her legal issues is dead. Or do you subscribe to some kind of superstitious “bad seed” theory?
A new poorly thought out Youtube stunt: “Hey, let’s pretend to rob strangers at knife-point. It’ll be rad for dope shizzle, yo!”
It did not go well.
This prank was a very stupid idea. Still this kid shouldn’t be dead. This is why people shouldn’t be walking around with guns.
Self-defense against armed attacks by strangers is the best reasoning for walking around with guns!
BTW, since the thread was revived, I was curious what happened to Monalisa Perez, the woman who accidentally on purpose shot her boyfriend, so I Googled. She’s in South Dakota, engaged to another guy and has a clothing brand.
Um, what? This “kid” was 20 years old. I grew up in the U.K. and I’m very uncomfortable with American attitudes to guns, but I’m with Darren on this. Someone who attempts robbery wielding a butcher knife should expect to be shot, so someone who pretends to attempt robbery wielding a butcher knife should also expect to be shot.
Bad decisions have consequences.
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I totally agree with this, there definitely needs to be some prison time, her actions were obviously and stupidly dangerous, unless she is intellectually deficient there no way she can say she didn’t believe there was any danger
How is this any different from the dangerous stunts we see others perform for our entertainment? In 2016, Luke Aikins jumped out of an airplane without a parachute and landed in a net. There’s the classic circus act with the target girl bound to an object while some dude throws knives at balloons around here. If a side show performer accidentally hits his assistant in the throat with a knife is that manslaughter? if Luke Aikins had missed that net would the pilot have any liability for his death?
re you talking about the OP, or the new story that @Darren_Garrison mentioned that raised this thread?
If the first one: because stunts like that are done with safety procedures in place. They know the danger of the items they use and try to mitigate any issues. Thinking you can stop a bullet with books? That’s just stupid.
If the second one: because they were “pranking” people by terrorizing them, and made someone think they needed to shoot him to protect themselves. You don’t troll people using a deadly weapon.
Whether or not he should from his individual perspective expect to be about, from a societal perspective he still shouldn’t actually be shot. A person planning on enacting image YouTube prank, no matter how poorly conceived, should not be dead because of it. We should arrange things in society to make this outcome less likely.
And in the original post, those people shouldn’t have had guns in the first place to enact their stupid idea.
We need to make possession and use of firearms for any purpose, including pranks, more difficult, less likely, and more unacceptable in general in society.
I won’t associate socially with someone who carries firearms. More people should shun such people.