Which makes it really fucking hi-LAR-ious if he gets raped, amirite? Sexual humiliation is the proper fate of enemies of the state. Carry on, comrade.
I don’t respect the views of anyone who doesn’t respect gender identity.
Your posts and your views say you’re an asshole and you gave up the right to do anything about that when you decided to be transphobic.
See? Look, there you go. Talk about treason, but throw in transphobic bullshit about how “DNA says he’s male”, and flat out totally make up facts like pretending that Manning hadn’t previously talked about her gender identity before her crimes.
Facts don’t matter. Medical science doesn’t matter. All that matters is hatehatehatehatehate, that’s all these scum can spew.
It’s fucking hate speech, pure and simple, but it’s “acceptable” hate speech so they get to spew it as much as they goddamn want to.
No, nobody should ever be raped, not even in prison. Rape is not a constitutionally valid penalty for any crime.
He has a Y chromosome, does he not? Claiming that he’s female doesn’t rewrite his DNA. Whether he talked about his mental problems or not before he committed his crimes, once he committed them he lost the right to do anything about it, because people in prison don’t get to decide how they want to live.
Let us know when you’re done posting from 1950.
So…I have to give all [group] the same level of respect with regard to the quality that makes them [group], or I’m a hypocrite? Good enough logic, I suppose, but it indicates a thoroughness of conscious living that most people don’t get into most of the time.
Sorry, pal. I’m just an undisciplined human. I look at as much of a person as I can see and decide whether or not I like/respect them. If I don’t, then none of their qualities are sacred to me on principle alone. If I do like/respect them then I’m generally cool with their whole being no matter how little we may have in common. From what I know of Mr. Manning, he is a traitor to his country, and someone who at best abused the trust placed in him, and at worst lied in order to gain that trust. Whether or not he leaked actual useful information, he’s a cheat and a liar and deserves all the respect that accompanies those labels.
41% of transpeople have attempted suicide at some point in thir lives.. Unsurpringly, to anyone who isn’t a knuckled dragging, troglodyte fuckhole like yourself, the incidence of suicide attempts correlates strongly to how accepted they are as their real gender. So, good news for you! Manning has a real good chance of not surviving his nine year stint as it is, meaning you get to look forward to stroking your hate boner over the death of both a “traitor” and a filthy tranny degenerate!
You fucking subhuman.
You said she “tried to garner sympathy” and put quotes around "being born in the wrong body’.
I suggest you try looking up the actual facts of transgenderness on google, Smapti. I understand google must be new to you - someone of your intellect doesn’t seem like somebody who’s used to looking up information, caring about facts, finding new things a lot. But you can use this excellent research to educate yourself! I suggest you do so, unless you’re openly trying to look like a worthless fucking asshole with no relevant opinion on anything. If that’s the case, then you can use google to look up the Westboro Church, and go join them!
Which, I assume, is part of why he was on suicide watch for three years (which people are still complaining about, BTW.) As far as I’m concerned that’s all the indulgence he needs.
I don’t consider transgenders to be filthy or degenerates, so don’t put words in my mouth.
…yes? I mean, you know what we call somebody who openly calls his female coworkers he doesn’t like worthless (slur) and says they don’t have a place in the office, but he’s nice to his mother? He’s still sexist - the fact that he’s nice to SOME women doesn’t change that.
It really is an all or nothing thing. If you’re willing to be sexist, racist, transphobic, homophobic, etc, against people you don’t like, then you ARE sexist, racist, transphobic, or homophobic. There really is no wiggle room.
You don’t have to like the person, you don’t have to like their actions, but if you use bigotry to attack them, that just shows you’re a bigot. Focus on the actions instead, not their identity.
You have failed to understand their point, Jester. It’s not about respecting them specifically, but respecting the notion of transgender entirely. Either you consider Manning a man, in which case you don’t truly accept any transperson as their chosen identity, or you consider Manning a woman, and a woman who you find objectionable on a moral level.
Refusing to use female pronouns re: Manning is petty and makes me find you objectionable on a moral level.
Here’s my hypocracy for all to judge: I am strongly opposed to Manning receiving any transition procedures- hormones, surgery, whatever- until the dedicated members of the armed forces can do the same without fear of reprisal and with the full financial support of TRICARE. Give her daily psychological counseling, let her live as a woman if she wishes, but no more. It physically pains me to think of what our transgendered troops go through on a daily basis, and makes me sick to think that she’ll get to sit back and reap the rewards of free medical care for her transition. Screw her. She gets a job if she goes to Leavenworth- she can save up for the next 35 years.
Yes, I did, because there’s no such thing as “being born in the wrong body” - to claim such a thing implies some sort of purpose to the bodies people are born into which does not exist. The body you were meant to be born into is the body you were born into - otherwise, you wouldn’t be you, you’d be someone else. That doesn’t make transgenders bad people - they have the right to live the way they want. What I take exception to is someone trying to use their confused mental state regarding their gender as an excuse to justify treason and an attempt to garner sympathy and convince people they aren’t responsible for their crimes, and to the idea that a federal prisoner is entitled to sex change procedures on the taxpayer’s dime simply because they say they want it.
Leavenworth does not currently supply inmates with SRS or hormone therapy.
It’s worth noting I am not taking any position on the surgery, hormone, etc stance. That’s a complicated subject that I will fully admit I am not informed on, complicated by the fact that hormones and surgery are not necessary to transition in some cases, or even desired by the transitioners in all cases. I’m only arguing at the very, most basic acceptance level, which some here seem unable to comprehend.
Edit: I haven’t seen anything mentioned that Manning has asked for surgery provided by the government, which has been repeatedly claimed. Does anyone at all have a source for this?
I don’t much care if you feel I’m not characterizing your hate in precisely the right way. You’re a bigot, plain and simple. How you feel about things is not something I’m concerned with.
I consider Bradley Manning a man because Bradley Manning is a man. He possesses male sex organs and a Y chromosome - therefore he is a man. He can insist that he is female if he wants, but he’s wrong - he remains biologically male in spite of his insistence to the contrary. If he were a free man, he could choose to live as a female and undergo treatments to look more female, and almost nobody would have to know. But he isn’t a free man - he’s a traitor who’s going to be locked up in prison for a long time, and he has no right to tell anyone how to refer to him.
35 years seems kind of harsh to me, I hope he does a couple years and then gets commuted or whatever.
I’m fine with him doing his time as a woman if his hormone and other treatments are funded by private donations ( I have no idea if that’s possible) but don’t think the taxpayer should foot the bill. If the taxpayer ends up picking up the tab I wouldn’t be outraged. Maybe a little peeved. Just being in prison is punishment enough, IMHO.
Sloppy, not petty. To be fair, apart from a “dude” my first post (which was a fairly tasteless joke) got the pronoun conventions right. I’m good with referring to Manning with feminine pronouns if it makes other trans happy. But I’m not overly concerned with his happiness. This is becoming one of those Pit quagmires for me I’m afraid, so I guess I’ll just hamfist it: I don’t give a damn one way or another about gender identity, race, sexual preference, height, weight, mental limitiations, or whatever. To the extent I have the right to do so, I judge a person based on whether or not I think they’re a dick. Others (Karrius for example) can interpret what I say however they want and tell me I’ve black/whited myself into a pigeonhole if they want, but that doesn’t change the fact that I don’t give a damn one way or another about gender identity, race, sexual preference, height, weight, mental limitiations, or whatever.
I don’t give a shit what you think.