I just looked over that thread on turning gay people straight. I think it may very well be possible, but the thing is that it’s horrible for the patients mental health. You can make a left handed person right handed, but since the way you handed has to do with your brain, it really screws up your brain. And since being gay is not a choice, it’s already set in the brain, and if you change that, you are seriously messing up the brain.
But who would want to do such a thing anyways. In fact, I wish sometimes I were gay instead of straight.
I’ve heard that forcing left-handed kids to write with their right hand can cause all sorts of problems, including stuttering, but how does it “screw up their brains”? Is there actual, measurable brain damage caused by being forced to use your off-hand?
I haven’tlooked at the other threads yet,but I’ll take a gander. However, you state as a fact that gayness is hard-wired into the brain. That’s just a theory, and not a well-established theory, altho there is much evidence for it. In addition to being innate, however, if it be innate, nurture has much to do with it. It appears to be a combo of nature and nurture.
So, if it is innate and a person is already gay, it may be better not to convert the person. There are a lot of suppositions here. But the disadvantages of converting the person must be compared to the disadvantages of being gay, which are many, the main one being social unacceptance. As far as we have come in recent years, most of society is repulsed by homosexuals.
Well… someone is stuttering, there is something that is obviously wrong with your brain. It may not be visible, but there is.
Of course being gay is hard-wired into your brain, just like being a guy or girl is in your genes. And i don’t think most of society is repulsed by gay people. Maybe where you live, but not here. Gay people are very respected here, for the most part. They are much nicer and better looking than straight foke.
True. You can always tell someone’s gay because they’re inevitably a snappy dresser.
Likewise, all blacks have rhythm and are invariably good musicians and/or dancers. Oh! And don’t forget about how they’re all natural athletes too!
And similarly, Jews are sooo good with money. It’s programmed into them to be greedy after all. That’s why they’re all bankers and control all the money!
And those Mexicans! They’re so relaxed. I wish I could take naps in the middle of the day like they do.
:rolleyes:
I am so bored with the “You belong to an ethnic/racial/gender group. Thus you are part of a hivemind and share all their characteristics” argument.
In the phrase “Gay people” the emphasis should be on the "people, not the “gay”. They’re individuals, like everyone else. There is no “neat-n-tidy” secondary characteristic that goes along with “gayness”
Fenris
PS: And while something is obviously wrong with someone’s brain around here, it’s not necessiarily the stutterer’s brain. And I’m speaking as an ex-stutterer.
Please cite some references. From what I’ve read, this may be true, but culture plays a part. As I said, it’s just one theory. A theory, I might add, not of the same certitude as evolution.
You’ll excuse us for not taking your word for it. Most of the studies that show a difference in the brains between gays and straights have been criticized for having poor methodology. I am open to correction if you can provide it.
That is called anecdotal evidence and it is not very convincing. You are generalizing your experiences with a very small minority to the whole group, which is faulty reasoning. I think it is more likely that gay people are like straight people, with a similar share of nice folks and jerks.
So, Fenris, would a gay black hispanic Jew be a good looking musician with a high stress threshold who is his own accountant?
Ssj_man2k, we must not run in the same circles, because I know a bunch of ugly, gay jerks. Also, while I’m a supporter of the “hardwired in the brain structure” theory, myself, like other people have mentioned, it’s hardly been proven.
Well I didn’t “learn” that, and you have no way to know that every kid does either. And yes, we want a cite. If you want to debate here, be prepared to defend your position.
As for your statements on messing up the brain, I think you mean messing up the mind. Think of it this way: if you get a computer virus, your operating system gets messed up (software = mind), but the hard drive and CPU don’t melt or blow up (hardware = brain).
You all quoted me on that last part, and i was talking about the guy/girl being in your genes. Does anyone wanna debate on that?
And im pretty sure the mind is part of the brain, and without the brain the mind gets messed up, and without the mind to run the brain, the brain gets messed up. So if one part gets screwed, the whole system is screwed. You may still be alive, but only to a minimal extent.
ok. being a guy or girl is not in your genes. there are guys in female bodies and girls in male bodies. there are males that are genetically female, and vice versa.
when a doctor says, “it’s a girl!” [or boy]. s/he is looking at the genitals, not the guyness or girlness of the baby. and sometimes when the doctor looks at the gentital region, s/he can’t tell if it’s a penis or a clitoris. [they, being disturbed by this ambiguity, frequently do surgery to make into one or the other, without knowing whether the baby is a a guy or a girl genetically or otherwise.]
[/hijack] [though you did expressly ask…]
why focus on turing gays straight?? why don’t we try to see if we can turn some straights gay?? it shouldn’t be any harder to do it that way round. lets start with those that want to straighten out the gays.
The only similarity that can be seen between the penis and clitoris is while the baby is still a fetus. While they are still essentially the same organ, they look much different when the baby is born.
And just cuz you feel like a guy inside a girl or vice versa, doesn’t mean you are. You are what you were born as. Genes don’t lie. I may think i’m a horse or a duck, but am i? NO.
Genes certainly do lie! How do you account for androgen insensitivity in your worldview? Chromosomes say XY, therefore male, but the external genitalia are 100% female! And countless embryos of the XX persuasion which were exposed to testosterone in utero were born with fully developed penises. So don’t give us this “you are what you were born as” nonsense.
Qadgop, MD
“Don’t f**k with eagles if you don’t know how to fly”
-John Blutarski, aka Bluto
Incidentally I do agree with the premise that a lot of (but not all) sexual behavior is hard-wired into the brain, and that trying to change that may be fraught with unforseen consequences. I did study under Dr. John Money, the noted sexologist at Johns Hopkins years ago, and since that time, I’ve watched a lot of his evidence that sexual behavior is more nuture than nature be severely eroded. I also worked with a number of pre and post-op transsexuals, and IMHO, I believe that a number of them are truly one gender’s mind in another gender’s body. Granted, I also met a number of confused, troubled homosexuals who could not reconcile their desires with their external genitalia, But there is much more to the matter than that.
