Breaking Bad 9/25/11

It’s not through the prism of what Jesse has become that I’m viewing past events, but through the prism of who Walt has revealed himself to be and in hindsight (flashbacks) has always been. In my opinion, Jesse has always seen Walt as a true partner. Whether they prospered or failed, they would do so together. Walt, on the other hand, was only out for himself. Every action I can remember him taking was for his benefit. Even his dealings with Tuco had less to do with making things right for Jesse and more about getting HIS money. Jesse, on the other hand, while a fuck up, constantly pushed his comfort zone in order to help their operation and after their marathon cook told Walt that if anything happened to him he would make sure his family got the money.

I’m not sure what you’re getting at by italicizing Jesse’s desire to keep cooking and how that shows a lack of loyalty. Who was he supposed to be loyal to? Walt turned his back on him when a better offer came along, so Jesse did what meth cooks do: he kept cooking meth. The only reaction worth noting during that time was Walt’s condescending tone when learning that Jesse was cooking HIS recipe.

It’s also a bit misleading to say that Walt hid Jesse’s machinations from Gus in order to save his life. What I feel you’re doing is interpreting the events early in season 3 with facts only learned later in the season. Up to that point Gus proved himself to be nothing but a discerning and cautious business man. Walt’s fear more likely was, “If I don’t cut Jesse in on this deal and he gets caught cooking on his own, he’ll rat me out. If I tell Gus the truth about this, he’ll sever my contract.” The thought that Gus would kill Jesse if he found out about his plans to get back in the game would have been the farthest thing from Walt’s mind. More to the point, it’s not revealed that Mike actually works for Gus or that Gus is anything more than a manufacturer until the end of the 3rd season.

Separated this out because it’s probably the most pivotal point in the relationship between Gus, Walt and Jesse. I haven’t suggested that Walt is a monster, he’s not; he’s an arrogant asshole whose loyalty to Jesse was only apparent when it benefited him. In this case, two episodes previous, Walt learns that Gus is playing a deeper game than he realizes, but the full scope of that game isn’t immediately apparent. When Walt learns of Jesse’s plan he doesn’t, reveal what he knows about Gus, but chastises him calling the plan unrealistic and an unnecessary personal vendetta. True loyalty would have been working with Jesse to concoct a better plan or letting him in on the fact that Gus is not as mild mannered as he seems. Instead, he goes behind his back to protect him, a move that came off to me as arrogant and paternalistic. Walt knows what’s best for Jesse, Walt always knows what’s best for everyone.

What’s more is that while it’s true that Mike is good at his job, at the time Walt had no idea he worked for Gus or how good he was. But even so, what would he have been looking for? They would have died days to a week later of flu like symptoms or a heart attack. It’s a big leap to assume that Mike would have been able to connect their innocuous deaths back to someone who, to his knowledge, has no reason to wish ill on them. It’s far more likely that Gus would have assumed it was the cartel coming back at him for the death of the cousins.

As for the truce, its major significance was that it was violated. Not just that, but if Gus was willing to kill a 10 year old because he worked for him and became a problem, don’t you think Jesse thought the same fate was awaiting him. And, while I think Walt was acting in part out of loyalty to Jesse by mowing down the gang-bangers (in my opinion the first time he’d done so) it was a move made out of desperation. When he heard about the execution of Tomas he fully realized what kind of monster he was working for and that the only person in the world who had any emotional loyalty for him was Jesse. If Jesse had a chance to act, no matter how it came out, how would Walt be able to convince Gus he had no knowledge of it beforehand? How long would it take for Gus to start questioning Walt’s judgment? What would happen to him then? His chances of survival, however slim, increase with Jesse alive.

The reasons I’m able to root for Jesse and not Walt are first, I know Walt’s going to make it to the end of the series and given the way he treats and talks to everyone, I’m kind of enjoying seeing him get his comeuppance. Contrasting that hubris with his impotent rage is fun for me to watch. Second is that Jesse has resigned himself to playing the game he got himself into by the rules the boss proscribes. He’s fallen in line while Walt has spent the entire season thinking up ways to try and prove he’s outsmarted the game. Third, he doesn’t eat the crust of his sandwiches and I never trust a man who doesn’t eat the crust.

Minor, but when Walt is running home to get the money under the house, they show him coughing in a somewhat nasty but quick way. Since most little things on this show have detail behind them, I’m going to count it as minor evidence towards the cancer returning.

Walt really needs an “In the event of my death or disappearance certain documents and exhibits and video testimony will go to the DEA” plan for Gus, and I’m thinking it would be much easier and cheaper to arrange than the “End Game” exit. I doubt that Gus fears death as much as he fears the prospect of prison in the U.S. or a torture that will make the history books in Mexico.

Besides, the “Haji’s Disappearing Act” (or whatever Saul called it) sounds like a scam: “give this guy half-a-million, cash only, and nobody will ever hear from or see you again” has other meanings as well. This guy puts a couple of slugs in each person’s head, calls his friend Mo at the Incinerations R Us Crematory and Rubbish Disposal, and chalks you up as a satisfied customer because nobody ever heard from you again.

In addition to the Godfather:Oranges homage noted there were a couple of David Lean nods. Bridge On the River Kwai was playing when Gus was doing his charity work by visiting elderly shut ins to spread cheer, and then the solar nimbus when Walt’s hood was removed.

Do you think Mike will live and rejoin the action?

Two more eps. This is their best season yet.

Why wouldn’t Mike live? He was stable, safe and appeared to be in the great care painstakingly planned for but just couldn’t be moved for a few days. What good would he be even if he could be moved right now?

I think Saul’s goon squad is capable and knew exactly what they were doing. When they disrupted Beneke’s life they were calm and professional. They had been in the house awhile before Beneke tried to make a desperate dash for it, they never tied him up, perhaps the exits were already fused shut or something. I really like them and hope they come back in future episodes, as good as this show is there is really only 10 characters in it and it’s nice to see new faces.

We saw Saul’s Goons make Ted write the check and we saw one put it in a FedEx envelope (or something like it) but they didn’t actually mail it. Will this be significant do you think?
Of course the money is still in Ted’s account and Skyler tore up the $617,000 check he gave her. OTOH it would be very easy to forge since they have his checkbook and his signature there in front of them.

I believe Saul said something to the effect of “At least the check is already in the mail” when he was trying to figure out how to inform Skyler.

Recall that time is of the essence right now. The Whites need to get out right away - not after forging a check and waiting for it to clear so that they can withdraw half a million in cash from the bank (also raising suspicion in the process).

Which I wasn’t quite clear on. Why the need to leave this moment? Yeah, Walts been fired, but he tells Gus “you can’t kill me because Jesse won’t let you”, Gus responds “not yet”. So yeah, he needs to leave but why right this second? As if Gus was going to make a move and not have his boys staking out Walt’s house for weeks before he does it.

Gus wouldn’t have let him go if he immediately intended to kill him.

Walt wanted to act before Gus killed Hank, so he made arrangements to leave that night and also to have Saul warn Hank.

When Gus let Walt go he warned him not to do anything to interfere with what he was going to do to Hank. Of course, Walt had Saul warned the DEA. So now, Walt and family are in imminent danger and have to get away before Gus strikes.

BTW, Walt said that he couldn’t call the DEA because they’d recognize his voice. But perhaps they might recognize Saul’s voice from his commercials?

I thought Mark Margolis gave an excellent performance as Tio Hector in his scene considering how limited he is- basically he can only react and use facial expressions. He showed the character’s rage, impotence and pain without hamming it up.

“You couldn’t kill me because Jesse wouldn’t cook for you if you did”…“He’ll come around”
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Jesse has since started cooking without Walt (at the laundry).

The cook occurs before that scene - he’s not saying that Jessie will come around to cooking, but rather he’ll come around to not caring if Gus kills Walt. Jessie has already been cooking.

They seemed to make a point of showing Gus bringing up the issue of killing Walt right at the beginning of his and Jesse’s six 6 mile walk together. Then, later, when Walt comes to Jesse pleading that Gus is going to kill him, Jesse just tells him to go to hell. I wonder if they were trying to make it appear as though Gus had convinced him along the way.

I’m thinking Gus will try to get Jesse to be the one to kill Hank. I’m not sure why he told Walt he was going to deal with Hank, though. You know, other than to just advance the plot. Why not just do it? Despite that, though, that whole scene was amazing.

There was a lot of tension in the scene with the “A-team” at Ted’s house. I knew something was going to go wrong. Maybe it would turn out Ted did have a gun after all. Or maybe he’d put up a fight, and the big guy would forget his own strength. I was on the edge of my seat. And then it happens. He trips and hits his head. Wow. That was really lame.

It’s just a stupid cliche. The writers want it to be like one character A kills character B during a confrontation, but they don’t actually want character A to kill anyone. So they have character B trip over something after being shoved by, backing away from, or running away from character A. They hit their head, or land on some random sharp object. Then it’s like the character A “killed” him.

Ted ran across the room tripped on his rug. It could just as easily happen if he was running to answer the phone or deal with something burning in the kitchen. It was just a ridiculous freak accident that happen to occur when there were bad guys near by.

I knew the second I saw him first trip on the carpet that he was going to die by tripping again on it later on in the episode.

I’m not sure why you’re so worked up over this…it’s not like the writers are shy about killing someone on screen. This isn’t exactly a plot device they overused on the show.
Also, we don’t know for sure that Ted’s dead. Him still being alive will create continuing problems for Walt, Saul, Skyler etc. He been on the show for, what, 3 (2?) years now, it might take more then a knock on the head to get rid of him. We’ve got a lot of time invested in to Ted to be done with it. OTOH, it wraps up that storyline as we move into the final season.

I don’t know if he’s dead or not. They seemed to make a point of having Saul being cut off mid-sentence.

My problem isn’t with the writers killing someone off on screen. My problem is with doing it in such a silly, arbitrary way. One that’s an already over-used cliche.

Yes, Gus told Walt more than he needed to — perhaps more than he ought to have — about his plans. One possible explanation for it, as you say, is just to drive the plot along.

But some other reasons that would fit the story, I think, are (1) Walt got Gus’s goat with his “or you’ll do what?” line, along with his generally clueless defiance, and (2) Gus is now a little full of himself after his recent victory over the Mexican cartel. Walt just pushed his buttons, inadvertently, and Gus let his anger get the better of him for a minute. So he made all those threats —out loud.

This reminded me of something I was going to say earlier in the thread.

If/when the cops come to investigate Ted’s death/accident, there’s the potential issue of that torn-up check to Skyler (or it’s carbon-copy in the check book) being found. Even if not, and they just look at his finances, they will see the inheritance and his use of those personal funds to pay what his business owes the IRS.

If they dig into where the inheritance came from, or how his business came to owe $600k+ to the IRS (a remarkably similar amount to the conveniently timed inheritance), they might smell a rat and conclude that Ted was mixed up in some suspicious activities and his fall was no accident.