brightpenny, you're a loathesome bitch

[Crotalus]

@Troy McClure SF

Sez Cecil:

Thanks, Troy. I should have searched the archive instead of trying to quote the master from memory. And I didn’t know that he had later quoted himself, I was remembering the original.

[Crotalus]

@Polerius

Bullshit again. One more stupid justification of what happened in the GQ thread.

Just because Cecil can say something in his column does not mean we can say it in any forum on the SDMB.

Is it within the rules to answer a GQ question with
“If ignorance were cornflakes, you’d be General Mills”, or
"Listen, you chump "
?

Nope, and Revtim didn’t claim it was, he just offered a possible explanation for, not a justification for, the tone of the replies.

[Atticus_Finch]

Brightpenny, in your support, you did introduce me to the word “underlovelies”. New euphemisms always come in handy…

[Polerius]

@liberty3701

But “I’m dying here” and “i’m starving to death” have become so part of our discourse that everyone knows that they’re meant merely as hyperbole;

So, you’re telling me that when brightpenny said “It felt like a gang rape”, you did not think it was hyperbole?

people have been saying it for generations.

People were saying “nigger” for generations too, but once we made a new rule, “don’t be a racist”, that old word became something we should avoid.

So, if the new rule here is “don’t compare everyday experiences to extremely bad events”, then “I’m dying here” and “I’m starving to death” should be avoided.

I don’t see why they should get a free pass just because “they’ve been around for generations”

[Uvula_Donor]

@Ponder Stibbons

. . . the more you strike me as Stupid.

With a capital S, no less. Damn, that’s hardcore.

[Wolfian]

Can we add rape to Godwin’s law, that is whoever mentions it first automatically loses? Its’ already on my personal Godwin list.

@brightpenny

Excalibre, don’t email me again, or I’ll report you for harrassment.

OH NOES!!!11!

[rayh]

@Uvula Donor

@Ponder Stibbons

. . . the more you strike me as Stupid.

With a capital S, no less. Damn, that’s hardcore.

Yeah, Ponder can be so butch at times.

[Mtgman]

Cecil Adams can get away with being mean to people because he doesn’t exist. Those of us who aren’t so lucky would be well advised to take time to learn someone’s tolerance of / reaction to snark before using it.

Enjoy,
Steven

[liberty3701]

@Polerius

So, you’re telling me that when brightpenny said “It felt like a gang rape”, you did not think it was hyperbole?

Nope. It sounded like a one-to-one comparison to me, especially when she justified it.

People were saying “nigger” for generations too, but once we made a new rule, “don’t be a racist”, that old word became something we should avoid.

So, if the new rule here is “don’t compare everyday experiences to extremely bad events”, then “I’m dying here” and “I’m starving to death” should be avoided.

I don’t see why they should get a free pass just because “they’ve been around for generations”

Well, now you’re just being purposefully dense, and there’s no reason to pick up this debate. Please see woodstockbirdybird’s post in #52 for a better wording of what I was trying to say.

[Wolfian]

@Polerius

People were saying “nigger” <snip>

GODWIN*!

You lose! Good day, sir!

*My personal Godwin list. YMMV.

[Miller]

@Polerius

So, if the new rule here is “don’t compare everyday experiences to extremely bad events”, then “I’m dying here” and “I’m starving to death” should be avoided.

I don’t see why they should get a free pass just because “they’ve been around for generations”

Yeah, but the thing is, if you say “I felt like I was raped,” especially in a public place like the SDMB, there’s a good chance that someone who has actually been raped will overhear it, as has happened in this thread. So you’re basically making light of a horrible experience to the victims face, there. That’s pretty tacky. Deaht is usually pretty crappy, too, but if you say, “I’m dying here!” the odds of you being over-heard by someone who has actually died is pretty slim. Sure, you’re going to be overheard by someone who knows someone who died, but that includes pretty much everyone currently living on the planet, the person making the comparison included. The idioms simply aren’t comparable beyond the very basic level of “things that are bad.” The reality is much more complex than that.

[Jackmannii]

@Ponder Stibbons

Hell, I don’t think you belong on the internet at all, if you think (a) a friendly email from Excalibre is harassment, or (b) you can do a damned thing about what you receive in your email box.

Well, she could go to the authorities and get charges filed.

I can just see Excalibre now, rotting behind bars, wearing unhygienic underwear…
actually, there are some things that it’s better not to imagine.

[Guinastasia]

That and everyone is going to die. Not everyone is going to be raped.

[Zebra]

brightpenny,

I have felt the same way you do right now. The thing you have to remember is that this board is impersonal. You shouldn’t take things personally. Yes, you might make some good friends here and you may even be lucky enough to find a spouse here, but always remember to not take things personally.

The voice that you assign to various dopers and various posts, all come from your own head. Maybe, they weren’t being as mean as it felt. It probably did feel like you were being ganged up upon.

There have been times when some post(s) directed at me really hurt and it burned in my mind all day or for several days. And then I realized that the poster had completely forgotten about the whole thing.

One of the first pit threads I got heavily involved with, turned into a huge fight, mostly me against everyone else. One of the posters that I was fighting with was a fellow NY doper at the time, Sua Sponte. A mini-dope fest was scheduled for that night and he was going to be there. I was nervous about seeing him face to face but he was totally cool about it and when I confessed that I was worried he told me that, “Hey, you let it on the board, it’s no big deal.”

BTW I was clearly right, but never argue with the lawyers on the board.

[Left_Hand_of_Dorkness]

@Hoodoo Ulove

Maybe this isn’t the board for you.

Kiss my ass, motherfucker.

(See, I belong here after all!)

There is no equivalent between an idiom like, “I’m dying over here!” and “I feel like I’m being gang-raped!” It’s a very stupid comparison, making me think the folks making it are willfully ignorant.

Daniel

[Polerius]

@Miller

Yeah, but the thing is, if you say “I felt like I was raped,” especially in a public place like the SDMB, there’s a good chance that someone who has actually been raped will overhear it, as has happened in this thread. So you’re basically making light of a horrible experience to the victims face, there. That’s pretty tacky. Deaht is usually pretty crappy, too, but if you say, “I’m dying here!” the odds of you being over-heard by someone who has actually died is pretty slim. Sure, you’re going to be overheard by someone who knows someone who died, but that includes pretty much everyone currently living on the planet, the person making the comparison included. The idioms simply aren’t comparable beyond the very basic level of “things that are bad.” The reality is much more complex than that.

BS.

[WhyNot]

@Miller

Yeah, but the thing is, if you say “I felt like I was raped,” especially in a public place like the SDMB, there’s a good chance that someone who has actually been raped will overhear it, as has happened in this thread. So you’re basically making light of a horrible experience to the victims face, there. That’s pretty tacky. Deaht is usually pretty crappy, too, but if you say, “I’m dying here!” the odds of you being over-heard by someone who has actually died is pretty slim. Sure, you’re going to be overheard by someone who knows someone who died, but that includes pretty much everyone currently living on the planet, the person making the comparison included. The idioms simply aren’t comparable beyond the very basic level of “things that are bad.” The reality is much more complex than that.

Bingo.

“I’m starving to death” would be just as horrific on a message board with a high percentage of anorexics.

I would have to question whether “I’m dying” or “I’m starving to death” are even metaphors - they feel more like idioms (A speech form or an expression of a given language that is peculiar to itself grammatically or cannot be understood from the individual meanings of its elements link ) - and furthermore, they accuse no one of doing anything TO the speaker. “I felt like I was being gang-raped” is not only of dubious value as a truly descriptive metaphor (or similie), it also accuses others of a heinous, heinous thing - rape or something just as bad.

[Feydeau]

@brightpenny

Thank you to all who have the ovaries/balls to speak out against bullying. That is all I’m trying to do.

Here is the original quote that makes me a loathsome bitch: “It felt like a gang rape.” Notice that I did not say “You are gang raping me” or “You are gang rapers” or “there is too much gang raping here”. I was describing my own feelings and as far as I know, this is permitted even in this skewed universe.

I try to leave and then get emailed by members to stay, or receive this lovely courtesy note:
*So you are aware (though you don’t seem to have actually left the SDMB), I’ve just started a pit thread on you. I figure it’s only fair you should know about it. I hope that, in doing so, I haven’t inadvertently raped you.

Excalibre*I no longer know if I should continue my attempt to stand up for respectful treatment of members or to slink out, another one who bites the dust. I know of several members who literally are afraid to post anywhere but in MPSIMS or Cafe Society. Perhaps a forum specifically for those with opinions who don’t want to be ganged up on would be in order.

I’ve tried hard to be reasonable. Please do not draw conclusions until you have seen all the posts and my efforts to play along, concede, modify my view.

(bolding mine)

So, you’re being held here against your will? Hmmm. Bondage.

:::looks for EvilCaptor’s email address:::
I know, I’m going straight to Hell. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. Straight. To. Hell.

[Polerius]

@Left Hand of Dorkness

There is no equivalent between an idiom like, “I’m dying over here!” and “I feel like I’m being gang-raped!”

Bullshit.

[Excalibre]

@Miller

Yeah, but the thing is, if you say “I felt like I was raped,” especially in a public place like the SDMB, there’s a good chance that someone who has actually been raped will overhear it, as has happened in this thread. So you’re basically making light of a horrible experience to the victims face, there. That’s pretty tacky. Deaht is usually pretty crappy, too, but if you say, “I’m dying here!” the odds of you being over-heard by someone who has actually died is pretty slim. Sure, you’re going to be overheard by someone who knows someone who died, but that includes pretty much everyone currently living on the planet, the person making the comparison included. The idioms simply aren’t comparable beyond the very basic level of “things that are bad.” The reality is much more complex than that.

I agree with Miller. Rape is simply a far more sensitive issue than death, whether that’s justifiable or not. No one is ashamed to say that their parents died, but people are frequently ashamed to come forward and report sexual assault. Besides that, the comparison to rape also implicitly made everyone who posted a snarky comment a rapist. Not cool. Mayhap saying, “I’m starving,” could be construed as trivializing starvation, but the fact is that starvation isn’t nearly as sensitive an issue to most people, and it doesn’t implicitly compare those around you to vicious criminals.