I was veiwing a number of discussion over the 1990s batman movie and the up-coming one. In them, a large number of people were repeating the words, “Batman doesn’t use guns”, and “Batman doesn’t kill.” Bullcrap.
Skipping all the incessant “heroes don’t kill, Batman doesn’t kill” etc.
arguments, he has in the past. He has throw man off roffs, strangled them with the batrope and shot men with guns. A discusion was made for him not to kill any longer, upon which, Robin started to kill thugs. Why? Because the story called for it.
In Batman issue one.
Batman has a second encounter with Professor Hugo Strange, who has used a special glandular growth formula to transform inmates from a local insane asylum into feral, 10-foot-tall “man monsters.” Batman is captured by Strange and his men and injected with the monster serum, but he manages to concoct an antidote in time to save himself. He subsequently kills a number of Strange’s henchmen and “man monsters ” with machine-gun fire from the Batplane, hangs another monster with the bat-rope, and uses tear gas pellets to cause the last monster to fall to his death from a downtown skyscraper. BF/BK/JR
Notes: This story was the first appearance of a fixed-wing Batplane, replacing the previous autogyro (and the only time in the comics the Batplane was armed with a machine gun!). The confrontation between Batman and the final monster atop the skyscraper was clearly based on the final scenes of RKO’s 1933 film King Kong. The violence of this story prompted an edict from new Batman editor Whitney Ellsworth (who began his tenure with this issue, replacing original Batman editor Vin Sullivan) that Batman should never kill his opponents.
I was fine with that. However, what I mind is that his fan boys pretend he never has in the past.
The comics I read features a man who solved crimes, illegaly took down criminals and palled around with Superman, all the while never admitting that he had killed thugs in his past. The never admitting part being that in was none the less true.
Someone might, and has said "Surely the whole point of heroes is that they do heroic things. Killing people is not heroic. " That kind of mentality degrades any number of pre-superhero works of fiction that had the hero killing villains. Why, any child who plays cowboy know that the hero shoots the bad guy. This was reflected in the Michael Keaton Batman movie.
He was inspired by heros like the Shadow, and when the Shadow fought his enemies, he didn’t use trick gun shoots to take down the chandelear on top of thugs, he shot them. So the early Batman shot villians as well.
What would be my solution? Divide the comic series into a line for all ages, and a line for adults. If you want to, the mathure reads column can be taking place in that “Earth-Two” nonesense, but set in a way that it is identical to modern times, kinda like how the current spider girl comic takes place in a future that looks just like the current day.
P.s. Thanks to
The Golden Age Batman Chronology for reference.
p.s.s. Yes, I know it is just a work of fiction, and I expect to get flamed all over this thread, but I had to get this out in print, or I would explode.
P.s. Literary heros who have killed, partial list,
Beowulf, King Arthur, Cyrano de Bergerac, too many to count.