Seeking the approval of the lunatic fringe is no way to go through life.
…I doubt you knew what was actually meant by the term before, and by the looks of your response, you were never going to change your mind anyway, no matter how much “research” you decided to do.
Fuck that shit. If it weren’t for colonialism we wouldn’t be having this discussion. You cited the Julayinbul Statement on Indigenous Intellectual Property Rights, which was declared in Daintree Australia, so it was entirely appropriate to talk about the larger context that indigenous people in Australia find themselve living with right now. White men created intellectual property laws. Indigenous people had no say in the matter. That you benefit from those IP laws, that you are free to exploit the intellectual property of indigenous peoples is entirely because of the actions of your forebears. You don’t get to just pretend it didn’t happen by saying “humans are horrible.” How pathetic.
Do you want me to feel sad if a law were to be implemented that would make it more difficult for you to exploit the intellectual property of indigenous peoples?
Because I wouldn’t feel sad.
No this isn’t covered by existing laws. The creator, Te Rauparaha, died in 1849. The crown recognizes Ngāti Toa Rangatira, an iwi as the kaitiaki of Ka Mate and the “relationship with this taonga will be perpetual”. This is everything you claim you oppose. Yet you have “no problem?”
In the movie Thor Ragnarok, the Grandmaster’s orgy ship “The Commodore” was created in the style of the Aboriginal flag. Valkyrie’s ship was painted in the colours of the Tino Rangatiratanga flag. Both of those things were magnificent. You ask a pretty fucking stupid question. People create things “in the style of” other people all the fucking time. Of course there should not be legal sanction for following a “style”.
Yes, you are free to do whatever you fucking like.
Have you been hurt by the Crown granting Ngāti Toa Rangatira the right of attribution for Ka Mate until the end of time?
I hear these same old tired arguments over copyright. Diversity isn’t harmed if creatives come up with their own IP.
Learn to fucking read. You are not bound by customary law. You can, right now, practically do whatever you fucking like.
Well better for you.
As I said: go for it.
Just like you ignore the sins of your forebears. Its literally white noise: white-washing history.
The only practical tool available to indigenous people to protect their intellectual property is to call those people “cultural appropriators”. Its remarkable to see how upset people get over such an innocuous term.
You get offended by the term “cultural appropriation?” I think you need to harden the fuck up. You want to be “free to pick and choose aspects of any culture to do with what you like” but you want people to “shut up and not call you names” at the same time?
One of my best friends said “Leonard Part 6” was a good movie. So no, I don’t think so.
I was certainly unlikely to change my mind off the back of a poor argument but it isn’t impossible.
I don’t care about British colonialism. I had as much to do with it as I did Roman colonialism, the Vikings, The Mongols or Alexander the Great.
And yet white people in the green meadows of England cannot protect their artistic and cultural artifacts either and are open to “exploitation” in just the same way.
Anyway, you say “exploit” I say “influence”. Potayto-Potarto…wait…what? my forebears? where did that come from? Am I responsible for the sins of my father?
How is that in any way pretending it didn’t happen? It is a blanket acceptance that humans do horrible things to the “other” wherever they might be. You live in New Zealand I see, do you imagine that the noble south-sea islanders are in any way different from any other colonising force?
The history of humanity until very, very recently is war, death and armed robbery. The only thing that changes is technology and the scale.
I’m not expecting any emotional response from you at all, that isn’t required and isn’t helpful.
I’m not an expert in those terms, they don’t really mean anything to me and the wording seems confusing. If it is saying that a particular entity retains rights over something for a set period of time like all other artistic works then fine, if it is in perpetuity and under force of law, then no…I’m not in favour. I can’t work out which it is.
Then what are you arguing about?
That isn’t a sensible question. My own individual experience is irrelevant. As long as there is no legal compulsion to it then no, I expect no-one will be hurt by it as people will ignore it or abide by as they see fit.
Diversity is harmed if there are legal (or quasi-legal) restrictions on what you can create.
Then, again…what are you arguing about?
better for everyone.
My forebears have nothing to do with it. I have no idea who they are beyond two generations and no interest in knowing anything about them. I bear no responsibility nor guilt for anything they may have done. Not sure why you feel the need to tar me with this cultural equivalent of “original sin” but it is just as much a bullshit concept as cultural appropriation
which is fine. As I’ve said long and loud. As long as the only sanctions are the societal ones that we all have to bear and not legal then I have no problem.
No, I don’t. It takes a lot more than that to offend me and I suspect you’d ignore any offence I feel anyway so what would be the point?
You’re the one losing your cool. I’m the one arguing for free expression and the right…no…the necessity of risking offence.
Legally free yes, but I do not expect it to be consequence-free (as I have already said)
Heck no…freedom of expression works both ways. If people don’t like it they should say so. If someone isn’t angered or offended by art and culture in general then someone isn’t trying hard enough.
That isn’t a reference that I recognise.
It is idiotic. If I was being charitable, I’d guess that the author put that in because it’s the sort of thing that appeals to people who read The Root and because he wanted to just avoid the side argument while getting into “Is Bruno Mars a dirty shameful appropriator?” Since regular readers of the site were likely to take the “But isn’t ALL popular music really black music?” tact, he just said “Yes, it’s all black music, whatever. Point is…”
Anyway, that’s if I’m being charitable. Otherwise, the author is just stupid on that point.
- I agree
- When this was shared here, it was already everywhere on the internet. Trending on all social media and being referenced on all the big blogs. It wasn’t a matter of someone sharing an obscure to disrupt your little bubble.
I agree with the other poster who pretty much said “it exists but it depends, and as a white person I stay out of it”
but I am a huge (white) hip-hop fan and there have always been white rappers who “got a pass” and those who didn’t, based on things other than their degree of whiteness. If anything, the more “white” you are in relation to your perceived whiteness, the better you come off.
For example, first thing I thought of on this topic was "Bruno Mars, meh. I find it hard to hate the guy, but someone like Vanilla Ice? yeah."The modern rap scene is really weird to me, so I don’t know how to evaluate it. My visceral reaction to someone like Post Malone, for example, is that he appears to be doing a parody of a mentally deficient black kid, IMHO, Throw in Riff Raff while we are at it. These are guys who make a lot of money basically portraying what a lot of racist white people see as repugnant traits of young black men. And white people laugh and spend money. Sort of a minstrel show thing.
When Vanilla Ice came out he had a completely fabricated backstory to portray how “hard” and “street” he was and used a very affected style and voice that came off as trying to talk “black” (aka ignorant, to a lot of people). There was a movie with Jamie Kennedy called “Malibu’s Most Wanted.” Read the 1st paragraph of the plot summary on Wikipedia - THAT explains the problem with (some) “white rappers.”
If you are just a white guy who raps and you are good, you won’t have a problem. If everything you do seems calculated to appear “down” with the black experience OR too much of a try-hard in the other direction, that’s when you run into problems. People might think you suck or not like white rappers in general, but it works the other way, too. I am not a fan of Eminem but he is the most commercially successful rapper in history and very very obviously white. While he is by far the most famous white rapper, there are MANY white rappers especially underground/independent who have been making a living as rappers for a long time. I could easily list a dozen who’ve done it for 2 decades. They have a much easier time than black rappers in a lot of ways, including being embraced by “alternative” (white) music scenes and segments that buy concert tickets and merch.
No, from what I can tell she’s not.
“it’s OK when I do it.”