I wish you had posted this earlier. It’s too late now - I called everybody already and American Spring is a go.
From that same direct source:
[QUOTE=Pat Buchanan]
Our CIA, NGOs and National Endowment for Democracy all beaver away for “regime change” in faraway lands whose rulers displease us.
How do we effect “regime change” here at home?
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Would this really be what a majority of Americans voted for in this most exciting of presidential races?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable,” said John F. Kennedy.
The 1960s and early 1970s were a time of social revolution in America, and President Nixon, by ending the draft and ending the Vietnam war, presided over what one columnist called the “cooling of America.”
But if Hillary Clinton takes power, and continues America on her present course, which a majority of Americans rejected in the primaries, there is going to a bad moon rising.
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No, no resorting to calling for violence there…
…when SO MUCH of the country…?
Then they need reminding in a democracy it is the majority that see power, NOT ‘so many’!
A majority!
It’s getting this bad now, I think, because we’re really witnessing the death throes of a doomed creature!
Yeah. He had every opportunity to say “peaceful protest is the way to deal with this.” But he said no such thing. In order to win plaudits from the “pry my cold dead hands” crowd, he chose to chest-thump about how illegitimate any government has to be if it doesn’t fit with his own political views–and to cheer on attempts to overthrow such a “rotten” state.
The very fact that he straight-facedly posits Donald Trump–Donald Trump!–as the Tribune of the People, reveals the cynicism of his posturing.
Again, you are just talking like if we should consider that Pat wrote in a vaccum. No, we should not ignore what is making Pat and others like him to support Trump.
And did link to this already:
Many demonize conservatives, libertarians, etc in the same way as well. Where’s the outrage over that?
As Trump is the leader of the Republicans the fact that is that the top leadership is the one doing the demonizing; that should be a bigger cause of outrage. As it is the normalization of that demonization among Republicans that was indeed just seen before in extremist websites.
Point being that you can indeed point at liberals that demonize, but that is really an exercise in nut picking, on the other hand many Republicans have decided that they will tolerating and normalize what the nuts in their side were harping about.
Well the Kennedy quote is a little ominous but I don’t see what’s violent about the rest of it. He’s evoking the mass protests of the 60’s. You left out the last bit which I found amusing:
Says the Georgetown and Columbia University graduate, son of a partner in an accounting firm.
The Republican Party, as a whole, nominated a white supremacist who has spent the last week telling his cultists that he is being cheated out of his rightful victory.
The Republican Party, as a whole, has refused to withdraw their support and endorsements of Donald Trump, their chosen nominee.
The Republican Party, as a whole, is still trying to embrace Trump’s unhinged supporters because the Republican Party, as a whole, can’t win without Trump’s unhinged supporters’ votes.
The Republican Party, as a whole, has not moved to distance itself from the idea that extra-electoral regime change is needed here in Ohio.
You Republicans own this mess. All of it.
There have been numerous examples of our promoting ‘regime change,’ and not many of them have been peaceful. Combined with the subsequent section, it sure sounds like an allusion to violence to me. And it’s certainly not so reactionary that you couldn’t see it coming out of Buchanan’s mouth.
It’s there for those who want to find it. And that’s the key phrase.
You mean those conservatives who gerrymander and come up with voter registration laws that specifically and disproportionately target populations who vote Democratic? Naah, they wouldn’t do that. Except that they very provably have.
Libertarians are a splinter group to start with. The only ‘demonization’ of them that I see is laughing at the general theme of looniness that runs through a lot of their supporters.
And Pat is counting on people like you to not notice the whistle that others will hear. Bad moon rising refers to a very violent or destructive event that is (the violent end of the world in the original) coming.
IIRC also from the bible when the rising moon turns to blood you are going to have a very bad time.
Almost. Again, he’s making the same point that the Princeton folks are making-- American democracy does not work anymore. It’s “the elite” that he’s ranting against. He’s not saying it’s just “the government”, but corporations and the media, too.
So yeah, he’s “calling for” (or maybe more accurately “predicting”) an overthrow of the government-- that angry Middle America is going to come out of this election mad as hell and they won’t be taking it anymore!!
And I can see we’re not talking about dog whistles. Those famous things that require no proof, and so cannot be argued against.
Uh, ok. That seems like a slightly over the top reading. While Fogerty may have used the word “apocalypse” 20 years later in an interview, it doesn’t really make sense to “not go out tonight” if it’s the violent end of the world. Most people just think the phrase means “bad times coming”
You.
I suspect that that Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and Reince Prebus would need 26 hours in each day if they denounced each and every one of Trump’s outrageous statements. But he hasn’t seemed to keep repeating his rigged comments in the past few days, unless there just hasn’t been an updated news story covering it. His latest statements seem to even include him acknowledge the possibility of losing without voter fraud and taking a “long, long vacation.”
Ultimately, the Republicans in power know that complaining and whining about voter fraud ahead of time can be enough to pass a law (that may get struck down), but is not a particularly appealing or persuasive argument to the public as a whole. Especially when they’re the ones in power controlling Congress and the majority of state governorships and legislatures. Given this situation, I think even a significant number of Republicans recognize baseless whining from someone afraid of losing when they see it.
I imagine most of the Republican party leadership is just going to remain silent and hope the whole “rigged” comments go away. No, it’s not principled or courageous or living up to their duties to safeguard the legitimacy of the U.S. Government since they control one of the branches and want both of the others. But it’s politics.
Not a Republican. Two-time independent Obama voter who will be voting for Hillary (reluctantly).
Dunno about anyone else, but I clearly was. Is there a possibility that someone could read those comments as violent? Clearly yes. That’s the only ‘proof’ that’s necessary. Are you claiming that it’s impossible to read that as condoning violence? If you aren’t, are you claiming that there’s no one who could possibly read it as a call to action? People who, say, are already predisposed to see and act in such a way? Like, ooh, and I’m just spitballing here, survival/gun nuts? Skinheads? So-called ‘militias?’
So far as an American Spring for Tight Rightys, sure, that’s their right. Got a bunch of books about nonviolent resistance, glad to lend them. And if they are tear-gassed and thumped by the cops, I will be right down here toot sweet to renounce, denounce and condemn. If I were a better person, i would not be chuckling, but who wants to go to Heaven, anyway?
The rigged comments aren’t going away. He has posted a form on his website asking for volunteers in Pennsylvania to come out and “independently verify” that the voting isn’t rigged.
He said again at his most recent stump speech in Altoona that the only way he can lose is if Pennsylvania cheats.
Frankly the fact that it seems like they are going away is sort of terrifying. This was pretty big news locally though.