Bush says no to Birth Control

Placing this in GD, 'cause the elements (politics, birthcontrol, fiscal ??s etc.) usually end here, but am hoping to get a straight up answer first.

According to this, in the budget that Mr. Bush has sent to congress, he seems to be proposing to eliminate a provision in federal employee’s health plans that would cover prescription costs for birth control.

the White House Spokesperson says

Now, my WH Spokesperson translators on the fritz, so I’m not certain what they’re attempting to say. Are they claiming that the provisions for coverage was already in ‘many’ of the employee’s health plans already, so specific legislation mandating it is unnecessary? (and parenthetically, why would only ‘many’ be covered - isn’t federal health insurance a universal policy or does it matter which branch or type of gov. job etc.?) Or are they saying that the Clinton era law was symbolic and therefore unnecessary? or something else? and, for (fill in appropriate diety’s name here) sake, does this mean that the fed. employees will be/are or ** willl not be/are not** covered???

As for the debate:

a good health insurance plan is a crucial aspect of recruiting and keeping good employees. However, since we’re talking federal employees, the health care costs are actually spending tax dollars. where should we draw the line between: being an attractive employer (ie getting and keeping good employees) and the utilization of tax dollars on things that certain tax payers may find morally objectionable?

My position - As a person, I may have a boat load of moral issues re: wide variety of things . I may think that smoking is incidious and anyone who choses to do such a stupid thing should pay up the wazoo for the health complications for themselves and their loved ones (parenthetically, I don’t feel this way, but…) Or I may object on moral grounds to abortion and not wish my tax dollars spent on that activity. Or plastic surgury or treatment of substance abuse etc.

However, as a taxpayer I am interested in providing the approximate level of health care benefits that other large companies provide in order to maintain and attract quality employees. And, as such, my personal abhorance over the utilization of tax dollars for things I think are (fill in appropriate word here), is moot.

My rational for this position: Abortion and birth control are merely two aspects of health care that people feel strongly about. They are not the only ones. They aren’t even the only ones that one could say are ‘self inflicted’ -health care coverage can, for example allow for treatment of suicide attempts, obesity (which may or may not have a 'self inflicted aspect to it), pregnancy/childbirth, substance abuse, nicotine patches, treatment for sports related injuries (after all you chose to participate in the sport) etc. For us to attempt to start to make decisions on coverage based on the moral stance of some tax payers or the ‘personal choice = personal responssability’, would quickly become a quagmire of gigantic proportions.

Cost is another, legitimate factor, however, one can ‘cost’ oneself out of the running for competitent employees. It’s certainly cheaper for the employer to offer rock bottom health benefits, however, such an employer will probably ‘pay more’ in the long run by loosing their employees to other places with better coverage.

As the ‘employer’ of these federal employees, I am most interested in maintaining a good quality of them available, and the provision of comperable health care covereage (comperable to that which would be offered for other comperable positions in the private sector) is an important part of that.

Ah, but you forget that, by definition, the Government cannot provide services as well as the private sector:

"Go-vern-ment:" A body which cannot provide services as well as the Private Sector (also called “Invisible Hand,” which see)
Encyclopedia Republiciana, eds. P. Schlafly, B. Goldwater, R. Reagan, ed. 1964, rev. 1980

As such, why should the members of such a body receive compensation equal to the [Bow your heads] Private Sector [/Bow your heads]

BTW this was sarcastic on my part, but I would expect if you asked W., he would say something very similar. JDM

From a personal point of view, both my wife’s and my health insurance do not cover prescription birth control. (She works for a large hospital here in town). A small company she worked for about 5-6 years back did provide bc coverage through their insurance package. It seems to me (and this is entirely anecdotal, so I’d appreciate other accounts) that there is a trend in health care coverage over the past few years to not cover this particular expense.

Just sticking my nose into GD briefly to say this: As a taxpayer (and birth-control user), I think there’s a big difference between handing out birth control as part of a social program, and providing insurance coverage for it to government employees. YMMV.

And to reiterate that I’ve never understood why it’s such a problem for employers/insurers to pay for $300 worth of kid prevention, and not whatever huge multiple of $300/year of kid health care.

(ftr beagledave my insurance not only doesn’t cover prescription b/c, it won’t cover the exam to get them unless there’s a diagnosis in there, too, and “doesn’t want to get pregnant” isn’t considered sufficient - it does, however, cover eye exams every other year, even if there’s no prescription for glasses as a result).

HMOs…fuck 'em

[Way OT, but I have keratoconus, an eye disease that REQUIRES rgp contact lenses…it’s not a cosmetic thing…it’s so I can see. My old HMO covered them, because of the medical need, the new one doesn’t. And each lens costs about $100 a pop…and I lose them out of my eyes occasionally ]

This particular version of White House-speak is not very believable. If the Clinton era mandate for birth control benefits is “symbolic rather than substantive”, why the hots to get rid of it, as it is doing no harm? If any unintended pregnancies occur among federal employees as a result of the policy, the consequences could include more abortions - not something the Bush Administration supposedly wants. Whether this move is primarily due to the urge to save money or to discourage birth control, it’s dumb.

On the other hand, Bush is letting new medical records privacy rules take effect without being watered down by insurers, at least for now. Which is something.

wring quoted the Whitehouse Spokesperson as saying:

Now I’m confused … did this 1998 Federal law give contraceptive coverage for all Federal employees, or did it mandate that all Health Plans in the U.S. provide contraceptive coverage?

well, since I was covered under a health plan in the US during the years in question and my health plan (not an HMO btw, but also not one associated with Federal employees) did NOT cover b/c scripts, I would say that they were only mandating what is covered under the health insurance that is provided as a benefit to Federal employees.

I think that this is like the Kyoto treaty. Bush goes after almost completely worthless liberal laws and treaties to try to seem conservative (and it does seem to be working)

God, I just had to repeat that because I loved it so much! JDM, you are my new favorite poster! [And, Asmodean, well, you’re still a ways down my list. :wink: ]

As for the topic of this discussion, this seems like a common ploy among the Right wing…i.e., to argue that laws aren’t so much bad as unnecessary. Next, you will see it argued to be a bad law because it gives Federal employees (or better yet, diaphragms) “special rights”.

But since its not being argued a unecessary law, and being argued its a bad one that would destroy your characterization of the right wing wouldn’t it?

See, birth control isn’t just for preventing pregnancies-sometimes, it’s for health reasons, like the Pill for severe periods.

Asmodean…Well, okay, you win…

My statement about special rights was more illustrating another Right Wing ploy, although the two are sort of tied together in a way that I find hard to explain exactly—I.e., first you imply that a law is unnecessary to produce the effect that you want (e.g. equal protection) and then you say, "so the real purpose of the law must be to give these people special rights, " or something like that.

Why do people let conservatives get away with this “We have moral objections to birth control” silliness? Absolutely no moral principle is at stake, unless telling people what to do just for the sake of telling them what to do is a moral principle. Apparently the conservatives have convinced an amazingly large portion of Americans that “I don’t like this” is somehow the same as “I have moral problems with this”. If that’s the case, I have a moral problem with the government not giving me a $100 M/year job.

Unfortunately, so did his parents.

Okay, question: Does the government really “provide” health care insurance for their employees (like Medicare), as many posts here seem to imply, or do they “pay” for private insurance for their employees. I am a state employee (PA) and got the choice of certain HMO, PPO and traditional health plans to choose from.

If they do, as I suspect, simply pay for private insurance, then any arguments that “the government doesn’t do things as well as private companies” would be a non-sequiter in this case.

Also, there has been a large shift in recent years toward contracting services in the Federal Government. These contractors are private companies (of course) and are required to provide a certain level of benefits to their employees. So, at least in the case of contractors, this would apply to private insurance.

Ok here goes…the goverment has a very broad ranging health insurance plan. Depending on the locality in which you live you may be able to choose your coverage from up to as many as 10 to 20 insurers. The employee then pays premiums through payroll deduction with the government picking up a percentage. When they say “most” they are referring to the fact that many do offer birth control coverage. (I would assume all do now because of the mandate.) Government employees pick from companies like Blue Cross, CIGNA, Aetna to name a few.

I’m not sure how it would help the tax payers one iota to drop this coverage from a plan. I am just cynical enough to believe that if a company were to drop birth control it would never actually effect their rates. They’d come up with some reason not to lower them. So thousands of families of government workers would loose this coverage but still be paying the same rates, and the taxpayer too.

The reasoning behind not covering clients for birth control elludes me. How can it be more profitable to cover additional children than to cover birth control? First year natal check-up alone would exceed the cost of a years supply of birth control.

Needs2know

my company also dosen’t cover birth control, so I’m not crying for any federal employees.

My SO has a very good plan and just recently started to receive the birth control benefit due to a state law mandating a strange equivalence between viagra and birth control.
I think it specious to assume that there are many women out there getting pregnant because of their government health plan would not fork out the extra $120 a year for the pill.