But Is It Art? YOU make the call!

Ok-- I bet this has been done before but maybe it’ll be fun…

While I am a fan of “modern art”, I am occasionally confused, in disagreement, or both about what is considered good or meaningful “art”. Essentially, I’m just revisiting the ol’ “My KID coulda painted that!” subject but with a little twist.

Let’s play armchair art critic! Someone can submit an example of “modern” art (whatever THAT is) from the internet (or where-have-you), and then let the erstwhile upturned-noses at the Dope (ooooh! me tooo!) proceed to comment on it.

Do you predict that “real” art critics have found the work good, valuable or important?
Do you think it’s any good?
Guess who the artist is…
Or, who’s art does it resemble?

Or, say whatever you want!!

Anyone who is so inclined can link to a new piece if he/she pleases, but let’s give enough time for a few comments on each one before we move on to another.

Also, for the purposes of this exercise, I think it’s important to cut and paste the art work from it’s original web page/context into a generic third party site like Yahoo Photos or whatever (I’m using a generic new GeoCities free page) so as not to give the game away.

Only teeny little hints should be given as to the source of the piece. On my submission I’ve covered over everything but the date of the work, and the first letter or so of the work’s name and the artist’s name.

So, here goes…

Don’t forget, all you amateur art experts, the submitter (or his daughter or his cousin’s pet skunk) may be the real culprit behind the “brilliant” piece on display!! That’s part of the fun!

I’ll reserve comment on my submission for now except to say that to my eye it is off-centered and has annoying white gaps.

I don’t like it.

Which probably means it’s a critically acclaimed piece worth at least a million dollars.

OK… this is really weird!! When I started this thread I had absolutely NO idea that this thread was currently on the front page!!!

Weird!

I like it, it conveys coldness and bleakness. Please don’t tell me it was “painted” by that elephant in the Boston Zoo.

I actually kind of like it. I think I’d like it better with a touch of color, though. I’m betting that the art critics would love something like this, but I have no idea who the artist is.

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Neither of the Boston Zoos (Stone Zoo and Franklin Park Zoo) have elephants.

The elephant at a private zoo in York, Maine – York’s Wild Kingdom – does paint pictures. We’ve seen her do it. They don’t look like this.

I like it all right; the composition is sound, and it has a pleasing range of silver mid-tones. The shapes are jagged in an industrial way but remain organic, like leaves. Looks to me like a woodcut print or lithograph of some sort. I also like how some elements project away from the rectangular plane of the image.

I wouldn’t have it on the wall in my house, necessarily, but the piece has merit and it would work well in a corporate or public space.

When I look at this I want to imagine myself in a rainforest during a monsoon.

But instead I imagine a machine shop, see sparks and hear ripping sheet metal.

Uninteresting; appears more decorative than anything else and pretty much says nothing to me.

Looks like a generic “corporate headquarters lobby” piece. It’s just THERE, not interesting at all.

Here are two by the same artist:



Comments?

That must be the one, then.

There may be something in the backstory of this piece that prevents it from technically qualiying as “art,” but absent that information, I really like this piece.

On the one in the OP, looks likes someone found Photoshop for the first time.

Those look like they were done by someone’s cat.

The picture in the OP is okay. It plays a bit with negative space, and there’s a sort of Warholian repetition of the cutouts. The use of gray scale and the vertical white lines give a sense of a rainy night, which is nice, but it lacks any real visual flair. The use of contrasting colors might have made it stand out more, but at the cost of its sense of atmosphere. Not something I’d put up on my wall, but not without its merits.

The pics linked by Clothahump aren’t very good at all. I’m not a big fan of the “paint splatter” school of modernism to begin with, but these seem to be particularly weak examples of the style. The first one is particularly bad: the grey canvas goes very poorly with the paint choices. It comes out muddy and uninteresting. The second has some bold contrast between the black background and the splash of yellow in the middle, but other than that, it has the same problems with color choice as the first. The sense of movement in either of them isn’t as bold as it should be in this kind of painting.

My guess is that the painting in the OP is by a professional artist, and the other two by someone’s child.

How about this one? It’s made from little tiny pieces of wood, on a flat canvas. The dimensionality is an illusion; all the pieces of wood are on the same plane.

I think most of us would agree that it’s art (though I’d be interested in hearing from those who think it’s not). But is it ***good ***art?

That’s not “good” art. That’s “fucking awesome” art.

I think a great deal of the real impact of any piece is lost when reduced to viewing on a computer screen. You mentioned painting, but I’m unsure of the medium or of any technique that might have been used to produce this. On the surface, I agree that it’s a pretty boring, corporate looking piece. But I have no idea of scale, etc.

Thanks for all of your replies so far on the first piece of “art”. I hope some other stuff can maybe be submitted (works that have been removed from their original web page, and hence from their context) for us to give our critiques and opinions of.

I have a couple comments about some of the other pieces submitted, but first more about mine.

Jayn_Newell pretty much had it right. I created the piece myself. And, while it is by no means my first time with Photoshop, I usually only work on my photographs. I do fool around with this-or-that kind of trippy stuff sometimes, but it basically was an early attempt at “art” (outside of photographic art).

However, I did not set out to make a “art work”; I had snapped some pix of a cartoon on TV and was going to use some of them to make some derivative animation. Instead, I started fooling around with what you saw and when I was done I, at first, thought it looked like a decent piece (later-- well before I posted this thread I changed my mind and thought it was pretty lame).

Here is the picture of the cartoon still I derived my work from.

The text information shown below the art is bogus. It was not made in 1993, but rather yesterday. But I am an American and the part that is covered up does have my real name and the title I breezily concocted (Ivy’s Flowers --yawn). Also it is not, of course, a painting.

I only made that stuff up and presented it that way to see if that would have any effect on people’s opinion of the work. I suspect it did, but one would have to do some scientific polling with a control group and all that jazz to know for sure.

I’d wager that to some people the old “is it art?” thing gets rather boring. However, I am still very interested in how and why folks consider things art. Or good art. Or valuable, important art.

For instance-- I clicked on the link provided by panache45 of the honeycomb-like piece before I read his post. I at first found it rather lame–thinking it some 1970’s simple computer-generated claptrap. When I read that it was actually made from little pieces of wood I was impressed and changed my opinion to “pretty good, but not great.”

Then I thought-- “Isn’t THAT interesting!! I found it so much better, more interesting, and impressive when I discovered the actual medium was 3D and required some handicraft!” Strange what one considers “worthy” in artwork.

For example, let’s say you saw a 4’x4’ canvas covered with an almost (but not quite) uniformly beige color hanging in the MOMA. At first you may be inclined to think: “Blah-- what a nothing!”

But then you discover that it is not some crap painted slapdash by somebody in 5 minutes, but instead is a dropcloth that had been placed underneath a torture chamber to collect the sweat of Spanish Inquisition victims as they were forced to confess. And further, it was placed there surreptitously by a rebel Padre who secretly thought the torture to be an obscene affront to God and all Humankind, and who considered the perspiration of the victims to spell out a sacred message of warning to future generations of Catholics.

Now all of a sudden it’s a masterpiece, a relic, right? Yet it’s still just a dingy rag stretched over some wood! Just how much and why does context matter in displays of art?

Anyone up for posting some more “unknown context” art? I’ll look around on the web and put a couple more up myself when I have a little more time tomorrow.

I don’t have much inclination to post thoughts on the whole “is it art” issue, but I wanted you to know that you are not the only one who considered the amount of time and skill–even if only in a woodworking sense-- that must have gone into that to significantly up the “art” value of that piece. I think it’s part of the “My kindergardener could do better”–cause that kindergardner might be able to use photoshop, or some computer program, but not spend the time and energy to create that mesh out of hundreds of bits of wood.