Buying photographic art - what to look for

We are considering buying one or two photographs to hang in our living room. The ones we really like range from $500-900 for a 16X20.

We have never bought photographic art before, and these would be among the most expensive pieces of art we have purchased. The photographer we are considering is represented by a gallery in a different city from where we live so, tho we have seen her work in exhibits, we would be buying a particular piece sight unseen.

What sort of things should we look for?
What questions should we ask?
Any questions I should ask about how they are developed? Printed?
How are they shipped? Flat or rolled?
The gallery told me the particular images are re-issued in series of 5. Should I expect the image to be numbered? Stamped?
As far as art photography is concerned, is $900 a really expensive photo?
Should I expect there to be any possibility to negotiate price?

I appreciate any help you can give me in this area.

This really belongs in cafe society or IMHO. There are a few specifics with straight answers a lot of it is subjective.

That said prints should be shipped flat, never rolled. In any event a special issue print will probably be matted anyway so it will have to be shipped flat. I’m not sure what you should ask about how the print was made. Quality B&W prints should be done on fiber based paper rather than resin coated. If it’s color my guess would be Ilfocrhome which has a wide following for printing from transparencies and is very archival.

After you get a print like this you should ask about care and display. Being exposed to constant light is bad for any type of print. That’s one reason museums are dim and lit so they require a less powerful light to view well.

Limited edition prints should be numbered and signed. As for negotiationg a lower price give it a try but don’t be suprised if that’s shot down. An artists who gets almost a thousand dollars for a print isn’t likely to dilute the value of their on product by giving discounts.

$900 is a buttload of money to spend on a print but that’s a strictly IMHO. As with any art make sure it’s something you think is worth the price for it’s value to you.

Just curious who is the photographer?

For $900, I’d hope they’d take enough care to do it right so you don’t need to ask about processing.

How are they shipped? Flat or rolled?
Flat. May even come already mounted/framed.

The gallery told me the particular images are re-issued in series of 5. Should I expect the image to be numbered?
Should be numbered and signed, though not necessarily on the front.

As far as art photography is concerned, is $900 a really expensive photo?
As with all art, it depends on the artist. If she’s fairly well-known, it’s not bad.

Should I expect there to be any possibility to negotiate price?
Probably not.

If you’ve seen a print of the one you want in person, the one you buy should be pretty much the same. The process gets written down after the first good print, so they can make more identical ones later.

I wanna know who it is, too.

Yeah, tell us who the artist is!!!

OK, now that that’s out of the way, I have some thoughts, which may not necessarily answer your specific questions:[ul][li]Can I negotiate the price?[/li]I doubt it.

[li]Is $900 too expensive for a photograph?[/li]Depends. I’ll give an example: The last time I checked, a 16x20 of Ansel Adams’s Mt. McKinley and Wonder Lake ran around $20K, while an almost identical photo by Henry Gilpin (I can’t find that particular image online, but this is another version by the same artist) is around $1000. Both are silver-gelatin prints and are the same size. Both are made by mature, well-respected photographers. So, objectively, both are identical pieces of paper, yet one costs as much as a car, while the other one – not peanuts, granted – is much less. Artistically, then, is the Adams better? Maybe – but some have called the Gilpin “the best ever” – in any case, IMO it certainly isn’t 20 times better. But you pay for the fame. As a corollary, a young-career photographer will command lower prices.

[li]How do I know what the fair price is?[/li]Answer A: What’s it worth to you?

Answer B: If the artist isn’t just starting out, her works may very well have been sold in the secondary market. Go to your local university or museum’s art library and ask to see their auction records. Try to find pieces of similar size and style to what you’re looking to buy, and note their prices.

Answer C: If the artist is represented by a large number of galleries, then there will probably be a single price list, which they all follow. Wider representation also means that the prices are more likely to reflect what the market will bear.

[li]Will I regret this purchase in the future?[/li]First of all, don’t look at this as an investment. While one should certain do one’s due diligence before making a purchase, it is impossible to predict fluctuations in the art market. Do your homework, but buy for love, not money.

Having said that, due diligence consists of not just researching prices and making sure that is fits in with your overall finances, but also educating your eyes. Go to museums. Go to galleries. Buy books. Look at as many photographs as possible. Figure out what you like and why. And finally, realize that even after all this, your tastes will probably change over time.

[li]Should I ask about the print and developing processes?[/li]Let’s separate these two processes. I wouldn’t worry about how the photos are developed. In other words, if you like the end result, the development doesn’t matter.

You should, however, ask about the printing method, but only so that you learn more about your purchase. An artist will decide on an output method for whatever reason, and you don’t get a say. In case the photos are printed by multiple methods, each will carry a different price.

In general, B&W silver-gelatin (or is it platinum? My brain is bombing out) prints have the greatest longevity. Color prints made from slides are generically called Type R prints. Of these, one type – Ilfochrome – is especially known for its color permanence. Prints made from color negative film are known as Type C, or chromogenic, images. I don’t know how widely these are used in fine-art circles, though I believe there are now papers (from Fuji, I think) that provide archival colorfastness. Similarly, recent advances in inkjet (or Giclee) technologies have also produced archival inks and papers.

[li]On that series of 5…[/li]I’m curious about the word “re-issued.” Is 5 the total number of prints she will make? Or is she cranking out 5 more every time? Anyway, assuming it is a limited edition, then the prints should be signed and numbered, as others have posted above. Note, however, that owning “Print No. 1” doesn’t mean a whole heck of a lot.

The artist will usually make a number of proof prints to get the process down; these are not included in the numbered editions, and are usually not sold. Once the process is settled, then all the prints for sale should look the same. As a tangent – this probably doesn’t apply to your intended purchase – sometimes all prints in an edition are not made at the same time, and may even stretch over several years. In that instance, the papers and chemicals available may have changed, and these factors will affect the look of a particular print. There are also cases (Ansel Adams, again, being an example) where an artist will re-evaluate an image, and the later prints will look different from the earlier ones.

[li]Should I be concerned about the condition of the print?[/li]Unless you’re buying in the secondary market, then the print should be, well, “good as new.” Otherwise, it is advisable to examine the print for damage before purchase. One would hope that a gallery should be careful enough not to subject their pieces to any harm, and pray that UPS (or whoever the shipper is) doesn’t let their gorillas loose on it.

As an aside on buying secondaries – any reputable gallery should provide you with a full history (provenance) of who has owned the piece in the past. I don’t think it applies to you here, but that’s one way stolen/looted artwork get tracked down – just like how gaps in a resume will provoke suspicion.

[li]Anything else?[/li]Ask for her biography. Although it may not mean anything to you that she’s been included in X number of group shows or is in the private collections of people you’ve never heard of, it will tell you the length of her career and, in very broad terms, how she is regarded in the art community (or at least by gallery owners). Solo shows are more significant than group shows. And if she’s in the collection of a major museum, then that’ll probably drive her prices up.

It has been mentioned already that exposure to light will cause photos to fade, so get them framed behind anti-UV glass. If these are already matted (likely), then you don’t have to worry about mounting, but if not, you should find someone who does conservation framing so that the framing process won’t lead to long-term damage.[/ul]

Definitely make sure the prints are shipped flat, and even if it already comes mounted and matted, make sure to take it to a PPFA certified framer (get references if at all possible) and have the mounting and matting double-checked prior to framing. I frame for a living and you’d be surprised at the stuff that often comes pre-done to very expensive artwork and prints. Sometimes it is not a case of malicious intent, but just the dealers or artists not knowing any better.

I personally recommend museum Acrylic (Acrylite, not Plexiglass) over the UV-coated glasses, but that is strictly my personal preference. The UV glasses on the market that I am familiar with all have approximate filter of 97% of UV-light, and the acrylic is 98%. So do not hang it opposite a window, regardless of your glazing choice. I prefer the acrylic on all my original work, photographs and autograph collection, because in the event that it falls off the wall or is damaged if you move or something (and this eventually WILL happen to something you own), there is no risk of the glass breaking and damaging the inside contents of the frame – which I see depressingly often. Also, most glasses have lead in them, which lends a green tint to anything placed behind it; there are speciality glasses – waterwhite glasses – which don’t have this trait, but the acrylic also has the look of waterwhite glass, having no lead, which means the image stays very true in colour even behind the glazing.

Also make sure you inspect the picture for any damage prior to having it framed, and get a replacement if necessary.

Personally, I’m not sure why you’d buy art “sight unseen”. Unless you were looking for an investment with an expected better than decent return on investment, you should be buying art that appeals to you.

Did you mean sight unseen as in you’ve seen the image, but not the actual print you will receive?

Thanks for all the info.

http://www.judithkmcmillan.com/

My wife and I are both ardent gardeners, with an interest on native plants. And we both are somewhat interested in science as a hobby - we take Discover and Scientific American, she is an amateur astronomer, I have taken horticulture and botony classes.

We recently redid the first floor of our home with a significant mission/arts and crafts flavor. We have 2 walls left in our living room for artwork. We were considering botanical prints on the one wall, but were having difficulty finding ones we really liked - where we liked both the style and they portrayed plants that had some meaning to us. So we recently decided upon a set of 4 framed ceramic tiles.

Within the last year we saw McMillan’s photos in on of the mags we take - Discover I think. And we were both very impressed. Then, during a recent trip to DC, we went to the National Conservatory, and there was an exhibit of her work. They were even more beautiful in their full format. Even our kids were impressed by them - which is kinda unusual for our kids.

We see quite a bit of art that doesn’t do anything for us. Or that one of us like but doesn’t thrill the other. When we are both strongly moved by something, we have learned that we should take that seriously.

Her images are on her site, listed alphabetically in the left directory.

To us, they blend both our interests in plants, while displaying both their beauty and their structures, appealing to our scientific interest. (Actually, it’s all about sex!) :wink: Further, many of her subjects are among our favorite plants growing in our gardens.

Things botanical fit in very well with arts and crafts and mission styles. While this would be expensive, we thought it could be really striking prominently hung over our fireplace in our living room. And, it would be essentially the finishing touch in what has been a pretty significant makeover of our house, both inside and out, over the past couple of years.

My wife knows more about art than I. I just know what I like. And neither of us know anything about photography. It always seems sort of odd to me. I know there is a lot more to it, but in one respect, it always seems like once the picture is taken, you could just run off as many copies as you want.

Your responses have given me a good starting point to feel not quite so ignorant in considering this significant investment.

Wow. Nice work. I’d say the fact that her work has appeared in magazines and exhibitions means somebody takes her work seriously, and that the prices are not probably spurious. If it means anything, I like what I just saw.

Now, may I be so forward as to suggest some other artists with similar pieces?[ul][li]Tom Baril: He used to be Robert Mapplethorpe’s printer, and you can see that the quality of his prints is just superb. His own works have now come into the fore.[/li]
[li]Adriene Veninger: I don’t know a lot about her background, but I remember falling in love with her images the first time I saw them, and her name was actually the second thing that came to my mind* once I saw McMillan’s art.[/li]
[li]Karl Blossfeldt: An acknowledged master of photography. The pieces available are photogravures, which happens to have the advantage of being less expensive than, say, silver-gelatin prints.[/li]
[]**Imogen Cunningham**: Another grand master, on the same height as Ansel Adams and Edward Weston. Most famous for her nudes and flowers. Vintage prints are rare and very expensive, but her estate still makes new prints (these are real photographic prints, not posters) if you like her stuff enough.[/ul] The first thing that came to mind was some guy’s X-Ray flowers that I saw on artland.com, but that site seems to be either defunct or at least down for the moment.

Off to Cafe Society.


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